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SL Education Roundtable - Montclair State Islands October 7th, 2008 Open Forum - Focused on education

[15:28] Debe Wise: is this all text? [15:28] AJ Brooks: hi everyone [15:28] JeanClaude Vollmar: If you haven't been here before, touch the recorder on the table [15:28] Aerdna Beaumont: Hi AJ [15:28] JeanClaude Vollmar: It'll capture your chat for the discussion. AJ makes the transcripts available to all then. [15:28] AJ Brooks: fokls up in the amphitheater seating, come on down and join us - the meeting is held down here areound the roundtable. Hey JC - thanks for the Public Service message. - perfect [15:29] JeanClaude Vollmar smiles, "Sure" [15:29] AJ Brooks: yes - please click the recorder in the middle of the table. It will help us produce transcripts for the meeting and also stop those annoying "you're not being recorded" messages that you'll get [15:29] AJ Brooks: we'll give folks a few minutes to show up and then get started. a new seat will appear once the remaining one is taken. so go ahead and grab the seat, another one will show up [15:30] Natalee Barrymore: What will this discussion be about? [15:30] Philled Graves: you know AJ you can ad a second empty leaving two available via the hud [15:30] AJ Brooks: today is an open forum, so its hard to say - but it is focused on education [15:30] AJ Brooks nods [15:31] Natalee Barrymore: P-12 or higher ed? [15:31] AJ Brooks: well - the fgocus is usually higher ed, but we get a good mix of folks and the conversation is open [15:31] Wonderalica Alturas: hello [15:31] Natalee Barrymore: thank you! [15:31] AJ Brooks: Porspero! Hi Wonderalica [15:31] Prospero Linden: AJ! [15:31] Natalee Barrymore: Hi Prospero [15:31] AJ Brooks: lol [15:31] Prospero Linden: How goes? [15:31] Philled Graves: hey Prospero. welcome [15:31] AJ Brooks: it goes well - love your group [15:31] JeanClaude Vollmar: Hey there [15:32] Prospero Linden: thanks :) [15:32] JeanClaude Vollmar: I like that tag, Off duty. Wouldn't that be nice if we could wear on in RL? [15:32] AJ Brooks: the natural light at the moment is shifting to darness so you all can do a control-shift-y and it will become daylight if you want [15:32] Prospero Linden: heh [15:33] AJ Brooks shouts: folks outside - come on in and join us - we're in the amphitheataer! [15:33] JeanClaude Vollmar: Actually, it is sunset here. *grins [15:33] Skagen Vita: hi, sorry for being late [15:33] AJ Brooks: no worries. we've not started yet. just about to. please everyone remember to clikc the recorder in the middle of the table. you shoudl get a message that you are on the "list". this helps us develp the chat transcript [15:34] Mercury Barnes: It remembered me from last week. [15:34] Susie Felisimo: Does this group meet the same time each week? [15:34] Mercury Barnes: No, two weeks, good. [15:34] AJ Brooks: ack - ok - that means I forget to replace it with the new model, let me do that now [15:34] Natalee Barrymore: brb [15:34] Mercury Barnes: :) [15:36] AJ Brooks: ok - sorry abotu that folks - so if you clicked the older one, please click this newer one I rezzed. you shoudl get a note that says you were added to the permitted speakers list [15:36] Wonderalica Alturas: sorry it says email not found in config notecard...should I give mine or is supposed to take it from my profile? [15:36] AJ Brooks: thsoe ust joining us, please feel free to grab a seat, a new one will pop up when the last one is taken. that was from me from before _ i fixed that. try again [15:37] Wonderalica Alturas: right...tks... [15:37] AJ Brooks: ok - lets get started. Hi everyone, and welcome. This is the SL Education Roundtable, made possible by the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University. We meet here each week at 3:30pm SLT for an hour. Sometimes we have a topic, sometimes its an open forum, like this evening. [15:37] Denise Infinity: Greetings to all! [15:38] AJ Brooks: A few announcements, before we get started. This is a pubilc meeting, and we keep transcripts of the chat. Past meeting chat transcripts can be found in The HUGE Bldg, just outside the Amphitheater. Enter the door that runs along the canal and make a left. We do have a chat logger - its here in the middle of the table. we are asking everyone to click it so their comments are logged. If you don't you will get a reminder each time that you are not being logged. This is being tested - if all goes well, I'll have info soon on when this might be available. I'm not the scripter, so please hold off on questions for now. If you have Mystitool on, or other similiar tool, please put it to sleep. :-) On Wednesday, October 22nd, from 3pm SLT to 5pm SLT, here in the CHSSSouth Amphitheater, the EDUCAUSE Virtual Worlds Second Life Group will be meeting. We will be discussions a few things, but most important will be the upcoming simultaneous meeting of the EDUCAUSE Virtual Worlds Constitutent Group the following week (more in a moment). Please join us, even if you will not be in Orlando at the EDUCAUSE Annual Conference. [15:39] Zotarah Shepherd coughs from the pipe smoke. [15:39] AJ Brooks: Please also put aside the 29th of October, that is a Wednesday. The EDUCAUSE Virtual Worlds Constituent Group will be having its Annual Meeting in Orlando and there will also be a meeting here in SL. Details to follow, but feel free to join the EDUCAUSE Virutal Worlds group here in SL or come to our meeting just mentioned, at 3pm SLT on the 22nd. On the side wall, here inside the Amphitheater, there is a notecard giver with information on the D.I.D.I program. Click the sign to grab a notcard and "Learn how you can receive up to $1000 USD seed funding for social entrepreneurial ventures with the Dream It. Do It. Initiative in Second Life!" [15:40] Philled Graves: beter? better? [15:40] AJ Brooks: this is not a CHSS or SLER iniative. This meeting happens each week, but we are looking to develop a community of educators from around the world with a variety of thoughts, needs, and ideas. Please join the SL EDUCATION ROUNDTABLE group. If you have problems finding it in search, IM me and I will send you an invite sometime after this meeing but before I log for the night. As the group grows, there will be announcements and such that will be exclusive to the group. I'm also open for ideas of what can bring value to the group. One such event is ongoing. We are considering changing the time of this meeting. A notice was sent out ONLY to those in the SL Education Roundtable group asking about times and days that might be best. If you'd like to share your input, please join the group - another reminder will be sent later tonight. At this point, next weeks meeting will also be an open forum. If you have an idea for a future meeting, please drop me a notecard or an IM. Lastly, please wander around the island - tonight after the meeting or come back any time. we're currently up to 21 different educational community members here on CHSSSouth. There are also numerous learning areas on the adjoining islands, Montclair State CHSS and Montclair State CEHSADP We'll start our meeting as we usually do. Please introduce yourself. Tell us who you are, where you are from, and what you do. No need to wait for others to type - go ahead and enter your information right away, we can all catch up in chat history. AJ Brooks: I am AJ Kelton, I'm the Director of Emerging Instructional Technology for the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University. We're located in northern New Jersey, just fourteen miles from midtown Manhattan. [15:41] Prospero Linden is Rob Knop from Nashville TN. Currently Server Release Manager for Linden Lab, formerly a professor of Physics & Astronomy. [15:42] Aevalle Galicia: Stasia Weston from the University of South Alabama--Instructional Designer and Online Learning Lab consultant [15:42] JeanClaude Vollmar: I'm JC (Jeff Le Blanc in RL). I work at the University of Northwestern Ohio and am their VP for IT. [15:42] Debe Wise: Debe Wise, Ph.D. student in identity in virtual worlds and consultant on digital learning and virtual spaces [15:42] Philled Graves: is Rick Shaw, Director College Technical Services Ventura College [15:42] Kahuna Merlin: I am Kim Round, Adjunct Professor and Web Director for Merrimack College in Mass [15:42] Aldrif Avro: Susan Penner, nursing faculty, University of San Francisco [15:42] Denise Infinity: Denise Infinity from I-LEAD...Island Anima. We have degree programs in Pennsylvania. [15:42] AJ Brooks: who else, come on folks, don't be shy. :-) [15:42] Susie Felisimo: Hi, I'm Rose Kuceyeski, Ph.D. (Susie) from Owens Community College in Toledo, OH. I'm on sabbatical this semester working in SL. My field is Business and Information Systems [15:42] Zotarah Shepherd: I am a MA in Education (technology and psychology) student at Sonoma State University in northern California working an a curriculum project: Teaching and Learning Life-Skills in Second Life. I plan to buy an island of Immersive Interactive Educational buildsabout Life-skills for teachers, teens and parents. [15:43] Kayako Mayako: Kay McLennan (Kayako Mayako in SL) -- Professor of Practice & e-Learning Coordinator (Business Studies) at Tulane University's School of Continuting Studies. Also, the proud "mother" of the new Tulane SCS island at: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Tulane%20SCS/128/128/22/! [15:43] AJ Brooks claps [15:43] Wonderalica Alturas: I am Alicia Barbitta. I am from Uruguay. I am the director of studies of Focus - Inglés empresarial. We do Business English incompany and to groups as well as offering SL Business English Courses [15:43] IzzyLander Karu is from TAMU-CC and is currently an educational technologies and coordinator for faculty development [15:43] Prospero Linden envies Zotarah... he applied for a job at Sonoma State a couple of years ago :) [15:43] Natalee Barrymore: I'm Lee Nelson from the University of Wisconsin Madison. I teach counselinbg psych and have taught one course in SL and am involved with the virtual world development group there. [15:43] AJ Brooks: anyone else? [15:43] Zotarah Shepherd: My Multiple Intelligence build is still on Koru, NW corner if you have not seen it yet. [15:44] AJ Brooks: Ok - thanks everyone. Oh, one final note - it is really hard for me to keep up with IMs while I run the meeting, but I promise to get back to anyone who IMs me as soon after the meeting as I can. [15:44] Zita Dreamscape: lecturer in education and IT, Univeristy of Western sydney, austrlraia [15:44] AJ Brooks: ok - well, I'd like to start off todays meeting with a thought. Was there any notice of this viewr upgrade? I didn't see anything and it took me quuite by surprise [15:44] JeanClaude Vollmar: Umm, yes! [15:45] AJ Brooks: there was? [15:45] Natalee Barrymore: yes same here [15:45] AJ Brooks: a required viewer upgrade? I missed it [15:45] Mercury Barnes: back, sry. [15:45] Wonderalica Alturas: I think I read it was [15:45] Philled Graves: i've had comment from several folks about stabiity and crashing until their cache was complete [15:45] Zotarah Shepherd: I tried to get SSU to allow me to teach an SL course last summer in the extention but noooo. I think they need to know more. [15:45] JeanClaude Vollmar: that causes us a little grief when it's required. [15:45] Natalee Barrymore: ao off [15:45] AJ Brooks: yes [15:45] Wonderalica Alturas: before I downloaded it...I read it when loggin on [15:45] AJ Brooks: I don't remmber seeing it and our labs were offline all day and maybe even tomorrow [15:46] Prospero Linden: The viewer upgrade. Was in fact a surprise. There is more info about it on status.secondlifegrid.net [15:46] AJ Brooks: since they didn't ahve time to roll out the new viewred [15:46] Zotarah Shepherd: I have a great graphics card now but still get lag in some places. [15:46] Prospero Linden: IT was a **nasty** security flaw [15:46] Skagen Vita: yes I got update today [15:46] AJ Brooks: ok - so there was no notice, it wasn't just me [15:46] Prospero Linden: Well, not really [15:46] Mercury Barnes: And Kirstens viewer had it fixed days and days ago...I didn't have to upgrade today.:) [15:46] Prospero Linden: WE didn't want to give advance notice because we didn't wantn to tip off black hats that they should start experimenting [15:46] IzzyLander Karu didn't see an announcement because he's not using an LL viewer...sorry Prospero [15:46] Zotarah Shepherd: It was a surprise to me. [15:46] AJ Brooks: i remember reading about a security flaw, but never saw that the patch was going to be required [15:46] Philled Graves: i saw no notice either, was on earlier didn't seeit. then surprised later in the afternoon [15:47] Prospero Linden: So status.secondlifegrid.net was posted at the same time the viewers were rolled out [15:47] Wonderalica Alturas: really= I swear I read it before it asked me to download it, just one day before [15:47] Prospero Linden: This security flaw is different from the one last week. It's been a bad two weeks..... [15:47] AJ Brooks: well - it must have beena big problem for them to do that [15:47] Prospero Linden: It was big. Nasty. Evil [15:47] AJ Brooks: they must know how troublesome that is going to be [15:47] Prospero Linden: Horrible. ETc. [15:47] AJ Brooks: with big nasty fangs [15:47] JeanClaude Vollmar laughs [15:47] AJ Brooks: that go like this [15:47] Kayako Mayako: But the good news is that it is fixed now (?)? [15:47] AJ Brooks: (monthy python reference for those who didn't get it) [15:47] Prospero Linden: yes, fixed now [15:48] Wonderalica Alturas: anything to do after burning life? [15:48] Zotarah Shepherd: Got it AJ hehe [15:48] AJ Brooks: can someone give us a reader sdigest condensed version of the flaw? [15:48] Zotarah Shepherd: Research for my MA *bangs head against desk* pfft [15:48] IzzyLander Karu looks to Prospero [15:49] AJ Brooks: well - I don't want to put him on the line, I'd like the LIndens to feel ike they can come to these meetings without being ambushed. :-) but since soeone asked already. lol [15:49] Zotarah Shepherd: awwww AJ! [15:49] Prospero Linden: AJ Brooks : we weren't properly cleansing filenames on a transfer request, and people could read any file on your system. [15:49] IzzyLander Karu: oh no...it's just i haven't heard of the issue [15:49] AJ Brooks: :-O [15:49] Prospero Linden: Flaw existed in both the viewer and the server; that's why we had the rolling restarts Friday and Sunday. But, they're fixed now. [15:49] AJ Brooks: hurray [15:49] Zotarah Shepherd: eek [15:50] AJ Brooks: thanks, Prospero [15:50] Zotarah Shepherd: Glad that is fixed now [15:50] Natalee Barrymore: that's comforting! [15:50] Prospero Linden: It was kind of fun when one of our devs demonstrated it by reading /etc/passwd off of one of our servers.... [15:50] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: oops [15:50] Zotarah Shepherd: Whew Thanks Prospero. [15:50] AJ Brooks: so - folks - when you hear peopel bitching about this - you can let them know that SL would not have done what they did if they didn't have to [15:50] Denise Infinity: Yes, thank you! I saw reference to lip sync in this viewer. [15:50] Prospero Linden: Fortunately, /etc/passwd doesn't have any actual passwords in it... we use Kerberos. But, yeah, this was among the worst of security flaws. [15:50] IzzyLander Karu: Properso, how does this affect those who are using non LL viewer, CoolViewer, for example? [15:50] AJ Brooks: how did it get past the beta testing? [15:50] Prospero Linden: We have strong instutitional resistance to forcing mandetory updates (except for RC viewrs, but you have to expect that kind of thing if you use a RC viewer) [15:51] AJ Brooks nodsa botu RC viewre, which he is on right now [15:51] Prospero Linden: If you're using a non-LL viewer, you'll want to get it updated. Check with the developers of the viewer, make sure it has the security patches in or is otherwise not vulnerable. [15:51] IzzyLander Karu: thank you [15:51] Aevalle Galicia: Thanks so much for this info! I'll have to update our lab comps. [15:51] AJ Brooks: fokls in the amphitheater seating, come on down and join us - we don't bite and there is plenty of room [15:52] Aevalle Galicia: I may have to head out early and didn't want to be disruptive. [15:52] AJ Brooks: everyone, jsut a reminder, - to click the chat recorder in the middle of the table to stop those messages sbaout not being permitted spearker. meh - its ok - come on down if you want, folks leave all the time I take it personally ! LOL. just kidding. so - anyone else have a pressing issue? [15:53] Philled Graves: he pouts and everying, its adorable [15:53] AJ Brooks: lol [15:53] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: polite crowd tonight, AJ :D [15:53] Zotarah Shepherd: I am not sure I can hear them way up there. [15:53] AJ Brooks: yes [15:53] Wonderalica Alturas: a question ...how many of you are using voice to teach in Second LIfe and how does it work from people from different places [15:53] AJ Brooks: oh - for those in the US - make sure to register to vote. great question [15:54] Wonderalica Alturas: tks... [15:54] Prospero Linden hasn't used Voice to teach, but has used it to give popular astronomy lectures (plug: one this Friday at 8AM), and to do in-world theater [15:54] AJ Brooks: I am using it with one Italian class I am helping a teacher with [15:54] Zotarah Shepherd: I sometimes use Voice and sometimes not. Depends. [15:54] AJ Brooks: it is an upper level italian class - and they will be using voice later this year [15:54] Natalee Barrymore: I have not used it [15:54] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Our Modern Languages folks at U Richmond are going to as soon as they update their lab hardware [15:54] Wonderalica Alturas: when do you choose it and why? [15:54] Natalee Barrymore: I prefer the chat [15:54] Prospero Linden: The in-world theater I did most recently had three actors, one from Scotland, one from England, one from the USA, and it worked well. [15:54] Natalee Barrymore: for acting it makes great sense! [15:54] AJ Brooks: the instrcutor specically wanted voice chat for language exchange [15:55] Wonderalica Alturas: anyone teaching in South America? or for South America? [15:55] AJ Brooks: but she is also requiring text chat to capture written italian [15:55] Zotarah Shepherd: Both is best if you can do it [15:55] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Our Lang Lab director wants native speakers to meet on our island to have what the Spaniards call an "intercambio." I reckon that is chit-chat in Richmond-ese. [15:55] Wonderalica Alturas: yes, in my case I would badly need voice... [15:56] Natalee Barrymore: I love chat because I tend not to lecture [15:56] Aevalle Galicia: For those of you who use voice, is there a way to capture your class to produce as podcasts? [15:56] Wonderalica Alturas: but works not that fine as I expect and do not know if it has do to with bandwith in my area or SL itself [15:56] Natalee Barrymore: that is the question Awvalle [15:57] AJ Brooks: that is my big problemw ith it. i prefer to capture the sessions [15:57] Natalee Barrymore: is why I use text [15:57] Aldrif Avro: plus, I find people tend to ramble on when they talk [15:57] Philled Graves: i would think a microphone in feed to a recorder (e.g. an Ipod) with a splitter to feed the hear phones might work [15:57] Natalee Barrymore: yes they do [15:57] Kayako Mayako: I have a bit of an anouncement -- "enhance virtual reality" made the list for the "grand challenges in engineering." In turn (and to my freshman daughter's dismay), I was asked to talk to Tulane's engineering student freshmen about 3D virtual worlds (read: my work in Second Life). [15:57] Aldrif Avro: If voice isn't needed, I think sessions get to the point more quickly with text [15:58] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: congrats, Kayako...any transcript or recording of that talk? [15:58] AJ Brooks: thanks kayako, perhaps we can bring that up agin after this conversation on voice chat dies down [15:58] IzzyLander Karu: I have used Camtasia to capture video and audio, i suppose one could export the audio to a separate file for playback, Podcasting, etc? [15:58] Susie Felisimo: I think you are right, Aldrif. I've taken a lot of classes in SL, and they all use text chat instead of voice. [15:58] Wonderalica Alturas: yes Aldrif, but for language teaching is a must [15:58] AJ Brooks: wouldn't the files for that be huge [15:58] Wonderalica Alturas: and that is my case [15:58] AJ Brooks: especially compared to voice chat. i mean text chat [15:59] Aldrif Avro: I agree, Wonderalicia, there are times voice would be essential [15:59] Wonderalica Alturas: i was thinking about mixing it up with skype..before voice was introduced [15:59] Natalee Barrymore: I like the ability to provide the text of a discussion to everyone [15:59] AJ Brooks: the voice capabiilty was one of the big draws for this italian faculty member [15:59] IzzyLander Karu: yes, it would be, but only if you use the video as well [15:59] Wonderalica Alturas: skype was also used in second life....but never tried it. yes, AJ, for language teaching is a must [15:59] AJ Brooks: i like skype - have used it as a back channel during sl meeting [15:59] Wonderalica Alturas: and as I said, it's my case [15:59] AJ Brooks nods [15:59] Wonderalica Alturas: right...tks... [15:59] Susie Felisimo: It seems that there should be a device like this meeting transcript taken for voice recordings. [15:59] IzzyLander Karu: how about this, i can research this and report next time wee meet? [16:00] AJ Brooks: great [16:00] Debe Wise: sorry all...I have a meeting :( [16:00] Prospero Linden: The thing about skype is -- you don't get any visual cues as to who is talking, the way you do with SL Voice. [16:00] Wonderalica Alturas: wow...thanks Izzy [16:00] AJ Brooks: why don't we dedicated next meeting to a text discussion of voice chat. lol [16:00] Denise Infinity: That sounds like a great idea, Izzy! [16:00] Kayako Mayako: When an instructor requires voice chat, do you specify that (in the schedule of classes) that the student has to have a noice reduction mic? [16:00] Wonderalica Alturas: ahhh yes, Prospero [16:00] AJ Brooks: thats true [16:00] IzzyLander Karu: ok, i'll put that on my to do list then [16:00] Wonderalica Alturas: yes, indeed Kayako [16:00] AJ Brooks: not noise reduction, but the faculty member arranged with our bookstore to have a headset for the students just like the books [16:01] Mercury Barnes: Headset is enough. [16:01] Wonderalica Alturas: thanks Izzy....and how do we know about your report?...next meeting? if we missit? :) [16:01] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and the headsets are cheap nowadays [16:01] AJ Brooks: Ok - so IZzy is reporting next week on findings about voice chat recorders, is that it? [16:01] Prospero Linden: headsets are key... if you use a mic and speakers, you get those annoying echoes [16:01] Wonderalica Alturas: headsets must be used...a must [16:01] AJ Brooks: sound loop [16:01] Prospero Linden: (Even with headsets you get them sometimes if the mic is too sensitive) [16:01] AJ Brooks: headsets a must! yes [16:01] Prospero Linden: push-to-talk is also key [16:01] Wonderalica Alturas: yes, yes... [16:01] Prospero Linden: Sometimes you hear people breathing when they aren't talking. :) [16:01] AJ Brooks: its more like - if the sound is too loud in the headset and leaks out [16:01] Wonderalica Alturas: obviously, a good comment [16:02] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yep--or you hear my cats, the dishwasher, etc. [16:02] AJ Brooks: well - etiquite is another poblrm [16:02] Natalee Barrymore: you hear alll kinds of thing [16:02] IzzyLander Karu: or dogs barking and babies crying [16:02] Prospero Linden WANTS to hear the cats [16:02] AJ Brooks: people turing mics off, etc... [16:02] Natalee Barrymore: yes [16:02] Denise Infinity: USB Headsets are particularly reliable IMHO [16:02] IzzyLander Karu: lol [16:02] Mercury Barnes: Yeah, and I hope push to talk is the default now. [16:02] Kayako Mayako: To Ignatius, what do you think is "cheap"? I paid about $79 for mine and I fear I must be "cheap" since I think this is a lot of money (and not Linden $!). [16:02] Natalee Barrymore: lol Prospero [16:02] Wonderalica Alturas: but many times you get tired Propsero, pushing it on and off all the time [16:02] AJ Brooks: 79 is about right [16:02] Prospero Linden: $79 is a plenty good headset for Voice [16:02] Wonderalica Alturas: so as not to cause intereference3 [16:02] Prospero Linden: Medium to high end [16:02] AJ Brooks: I got my really decent logitec for 59 [16:02] Prospero Linden: Not for recording singing. But great for class, discussions, meetings [16:02] Mercury Barnes: Middle mouse anywhere on screen, never tiring. [16:02] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Cheap was $20 at a Radio Shack for a phone headset and a laptop adapter [16:03] Wonderalica Alturas: ahhh tks mercury [16:03] Natalee Barrymore: I get mine for about 35.....Logitech [16:03] AJ Brooks: i changed my toggle to the tab key [16:03] Ignatius Onomatopoeia is a notorius cheapskate [16:03] AJ Brooks: lol. i'll attest to that. ROFL [16:03] IzzyLander Karu: yes, i got a logitech wireless keyboard, mouse and external speaker with headseta for about $79...and have had no problem using it in SL [16:03] AJ Brooks pokes at Iggy [16:03] Aevalle Galicia: Don't blame you one bit--I'm a cheapskate too! [16:03] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: it's the hillbilly way, AJ :) [16:03] Wonderalica Alturas: ok...so sorry Izzy you'll report back when? [16:03] IzzyLander Karu: and headset was comfy too [16:03] AJ Brooks: rofl. but your car is kickin! [16:03] Wonderalica Alturas: do not want to push, just interested... :) [16:04] AJ Brooks: you betcha! (winks) [16:04] Mercury Barnes: Students liked the "in-world" voice chat with an instructor one evening. She runs office hours there. [16:04] AJ Brooks: Izzy - next meeting? [16:04] Natalee Barrymore: oh cool! [16:04] Wonderalica Alturas: is there any report anywhere on how many language institutions are present in SL? [16:04] Aevalle Galicia: I have a related question. How in the heck do you record video clips in SL? [16:04] AJ Brooks: ad what exactly are you reporting on? [16:04] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: read possibilities for groupwork therre--voice and something like Google Docs [16:04] IzzyLander Karu: yes? [16:04] AJ Brooks: Jing - for video recording [16:05] Natalee Barrymore: Jing? [16:05] AJ Brooks: jingproject.org I think [16:05] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: If you are on a Mac, you are SOL on video nowadays :( [16:05] Aevalle Galicia: Whooo hooo! Thanks! [16:05] Wonderalica Alturas: jing...yes [16:05] Natalee Barrymore: ok thanks [16:05] AJ Brooks: not true [16:05] Mercury Barnes: fraps, but some are using Adobe connect (and I've tried Camtasia, worked, but Fraps was nicer). [16:05] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: do tell! [16:05] AJ Brooks: jing works like a charm [16:05] Prospero Linden can't wait until we have something like VNC in world, or at least the abillity to scroll and see google docs in world [16:05] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: excellent [16:05] Prospero Linden: So we can all look at the same thing in the context in which we're all existing [16:05] AJ Brooks: and jing works with screenscape (I think the name is). same company. you can store for free. and it remains free up to 2m download a month [16:06] IzzyLander Karu: are you volunteering Prospero? ;-) [16:06] AJ Brooks: or you can buy more download width [16:06] Aldrif Avro: are there Jing tutorials? [16:06] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: it's http://www.jingproject.com/ for PC or Mac [16:06] Denise Infinity: It is not perfect, but with dual monitors, SL and Google Docs work well together. [16:06] Mercury Barnes: I'm using youtube and sl help videos more and more now. [16:06] Kayako Mayako: I use Camtasia for screen recordings but FYI, I just discovered a neat Windows Vista trick -- using the Snip tool to make screen jpegs. That is, prior to using the Vista tool, I would make LL viewer snaps and then have to convert the bmp files to jpegs. [16:07] AJ Brooks: well - at a recent meeting, I made it clear that we needed to get collaborative document sharing in SL - and not in a year,! [16:07] Prospero Linden generally works with three computers on at his desk -- desktop, two laptops. So, doing google docs and SL simulaneously is fine... :) But, the advantage of collaborative document sharing in-world is that you don't have to spend a lot of time describing where you are. [16:07] Mercury Barnes: They should just start making signs with links to videos for training, be a ton easier than notecards. [16:07] Prospero Linden: Just scroll to it and point. [16:07] AJ Brooks: collaborative work is a deal breaker for most people [16:07] Zotarah Shepherd gulps: wow [16:08] Prospero Linden is a telecommuniting computer professional now, so all that screenage and computage makes sense :) [16:08] Denise Infinity: And now, so many inexpensive graphics cards come with dual inputs anyway :) [16:08] Mercury Barnes: only three Prospero, phft...:) [16:08] AJ Brooks: but monitors ain't cheap. lol [16:08] Natalee Barrymore: does anyone know the lowest end graphics that will work with SL? [16:08] AJ Brooks: folks in the amphitheater - come on down and sit with us, we only bite peopel who sit in the amphitheater [16:08] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: that's key--but again I found hand-me-down monitors sitting in our I.T. storage [16:08] Zotarah Shepherd: Love, love, love my GeForce 9800, but I am eatin' beans and rice for a year to pay for it. [16:08] Prospero Linden: Natalee : well, there's work and then there's work [16:09] Natalee Barrymore: haha Zo [16:09] AJ Brooks: /menods [16:09] IzzyLander Karu is using 3 puters also, 2 desktops 1 lappy, but...can't really say it's as necessary as Prospero [16:09] Wonderalica Alturas: he he [16:09] Prospero Linden: There are plenty of <$100 graphics cards that are great [16:09] Natalee Barrymore: I'm thinkin 'bout my poor students [16:09] Mercury Barnes: Most kinda, sorta, work, above an ATI XL1300 (incredibly common on DELLs) does [16:09] Prospero Linden: My Linux box has an Nvidia 7600 somethingoranother. and it works well [16:09] Natalee Barrymore: thanks [16:09] Wonderalica Alturas: but does has nothing to do with voice, does it? [16:09] AJ Brooks: well - we seem to have shifted off the voice topic [16:10] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: to the video topic :) [16:10] Wonderalica Alturas: no problem...just to know, I am not an exprert [16:10] Zotarah Shepherd: Voice uses more bandwidth though, doesn't it? [16:10] AJ Brooks: well - it was a transition from capturing voice [16:10] Mercury Barnes: Voice is almost the only reason for using SL now. [16:10] AJ Brooks: what? [16:10] Natalee Barrymore: ? [16:10] Wonderalica Alturas: yes, I guess so, that's why I also asked if could also matter my area... [16:10] AJ Brooks: for me, the community is the reason to us SL [16:10] Prospero Linden uses a nVidia GeForce 7600GS with 512K of video RAM, and it works really well [16:10] AJ Brooks: and what is already here [16:10] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Laptops can be a big prob for video--cannot switch cards easily and more and more of our kids use laptops [16:10] Mercury Barnes: Text is too slow and tedious, on both sides. [16:10] Denise Infinity: Well, you can get a nice resolution 19" LCD for $160. That's not too bad [16:10] Prospero Linden: AJ has it... it's the community. It's the personal connections that are the killer ap in SL. Re: laptops [16:11] Natalee Barrymore: exactly Ig [16:11] AJ Brooks: /mnods [16:11] Prospero Linden: Laptops are a problem, because so many use Intel graphics cards. And those cards are just *not* good for 3d [16:11] Zotarah Shepherd: naaaah Merc, you can build great scripted things here too and many other things. [16:11] AJ Brooks: ugh - intel cards [16:11] Mercury Barnes: Value added, the community becomes incredibly richer with voice. [16:11] AJ Brooks: every low end mac. soooooo stupid [16:11] IzzyLander Karu: but, videos is also an important subject, especially to those students who are on financial aid and can't affort good systems or have constant access to campus systems [16:11] Prospero Linden: If you buy a laptop for use with SL, look for (a) NVidia video card, (b) dedicated (not shared) graphics memory [16:11] Prospero Linden bought an HP 6700dv or some such for <$1,000, and it works really well for SL... better than his MacBook Pro [16:12] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yes--our old IBM cheapies in the labs have shared graphics memory and they will hardly run SL any more [16:12] Wonderalica Alturas: what about Iphone and second life? [16:12] Denise Infinity: We are finding that SL is working on even some onboard graphics. Intel onboard graphics are worst. [16:12] AJ Brooks: i was just working on a gant (cough cough) and had to decide if I wanted a high end mac or a low end, much cheaper, PC tht would run SL just fine [16:12] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Mac :) [16:12] Mercury Barnes: Yes, my portable...:) [16:12] AJ Brooks: gant = grant [16:12] Prospero Linden: AJ : if it's for SL, go for the PC. Macs have trouble. [16:12] Aevalle Galicia: We had to upgrade graphics cards on *everything* to be able to run it--and here, we thought for a year it was a firewall problem--duh. [16:13] AJ Brooks: i went with the most high end mac. i just can't go back tp PC [16:13] Denise Infinity: Agrees with Prospero about graphics cards... [16:13] Kayako Mayako: How much RAM does your HP have Prospero? Or is the video card more important than the RAM theste days? [16:13] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: don't kill me, Prospero, but I have not problems with our Macs [16:13] AJ Brooks: It aggrevates me so badly [16:13] Prospero Linden: Kayako : 3GB [16:13] Zotarah Shepherd thinks I should have asked you to come shopping with me for a new computer Prospero. [16:13] Natalee Barrymore: ohhh goood question [16:13] Wonderalica Alturas: hehe [16:13] Prospero Linden: If you haven't had problems with your macs, more power to you... but lots of people have Mac problems with SL :/ When buying a computer for SL, the most important thing is video card, second most important is RAM [16:13] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: but I'd get the best system you can afford [16:13] Prospero Linden: Get at LEAST 1GB of ram [16:13] Natalee Barrymore: I wonder if we as a group could come up with some low cost recommendations for students [16:13] AJ Brooks: i'm on one now, and my other laptop is one, but that on freezes from time to time [16:13] Prospero Linden: The HP laptop I have has 3GB of RAM, which is plenty. [16:13] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yes--2 GB is even better [16:13] Mercury Barnes: The key combo differences make them a real pain to support. [16:13] AJ Brooks: oh - I tink I got 4gb [16:13] Wonderalica Alturas: iPhone and second life...what can u do? [16:14] Prospero Linden: Wonderalica : look at the secondlife.com web page :) [16:14] AJ Brooks: the key things are the best processor and best video card [16:14] IzzyLander Karu: yes..i can vouch for the memory problem [16:14] Prospero Linden doesn't know anything about SLim, but it may have iPhone support [16:14] Wonderalica Alturas: ok... [16:14] Prospero Linden: AJ : I would put video card and RAM before processor [16:14] AJ Brooks nods [16:14] AJ Brooks: who said somethign about the iPhone? [16:14] Prospero Linden: You really don't need a high-end PC to run SL well, but you *do* have to make choices that optimize for 3d [16:14] IzzyLander Karu: i bought a new pc, and kept having crashes, then i maxed out the RAM and only crashed twice since...both time taking hires picks at Burning Life with graphics set to Ultra [16:15] Wonderalica Alturas: Prospero, to check on the web [16:15] JeanClaude Vollmar: I've read about viewer for mobile devices, but haven't tried one yet. [16:15] Prospero Linden: Heh... Burning Life is stressful because all those builders being creative with sculpties and high resolution textures.... [16:15] Wonderalica Alturas: secondlife web....I know there is an external programme needed..I tried it yesterday [16:15] AJ Brooks: i think that viewer is just RDSing to a computer that is alread on [16:15] Kayako Mayako: I just had to replace a 4 year old Dell XPS (that my 14 year says I "fried" using Second Life) and got a 4GB ram dell XPS. Still, with my interest in keeping a long draw distance, I fear I crash almost as much as before. :( [16:15] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: but we were all RL drunk for BL and didn't notice :) [16:15] Natalee Barrymore: lol Kayako. I am currently frying my XPS [16:16] AJ Brooks: long draw distance is key for me. if I can only see 128m, what is th point [16:16] Prospero Linden: heh [16:16] AJ Brooks: dulls the experience [16:16] Prospero Linden: YOu don't need a 128m draw distance for this meeting :) [16:16] Natalee Barrymore: I replaced the RAM in my XPS from 1 to 4 gigs [16:16] AJ Brooks: well - no. thats true [16:16] Ignatius Onomatopoeia searches for other hand-held SL client that Au reported on... [16:16] AJ Brooks: an I will draw down if I get lag [16:16] IzzyLander Karu: i have a Desll Vostro 400, and have set my draw distance to 400+ w/o problem [16:17] JeanClaude Vollmar: I'm always switching my draw distance based on what I'm doning. [16:17] Zotarah Shepherd: When I am close and do not have to see far I set Draw to 64. When I need to see far I turn it way up if I need to. [16:17] AJ Brooks: i will use the low settign and then bring draw distance all the way up on custom [16:17] Denise Infinity: We deal with low-income students and do not recommend Macs. You can get so much better specs for the money with Windows. [16:17] IzzyLander Karu: but, i think Prospero gave us the formula, Vid-Card top priority, next is RAM [16:17] Denise Infinity: Sorry, AJ ;) [16:17] AJ Brooks: agree Denise [16:17] Prospero Linden: IzzyLander : and, more expensive video card doesn't *necessarily* mean better [16:18] IzzyLander Karu: very true [16:18] AJ Brooks: no - ion fact, some video cards taht are expensive are NOT suggested [16:18] IzzyLander Karu: but, that's the trap many falls into since they don't know the technology [16:18] Prospero Linden: Yeah [16:18] Natalee Barrymore: yes [16:18] AJ Brooks: there is a different between 3d drawing like this and 3d building like Maya [16:18] Prospero Linden: Another thing to consider is fan noise... if you buy a videocard with a huge monster fan, can you put up with the added noise, or will you go postal and kill your family? Just sayin' [16:18] AJ Brooks: maya doesnt' require the kind of contacnt re-rendering [16:18] Denise Infinity: We just got a batch of HPs with 3 GB RAM and good graphics card for $750 [16:19] Wonderalica Alturas: heh [16:19] Prospero Linden: AJ : similar considerations, except that SL will be a bigger workout for your grahics card than Maya [16:19] IzzyLander Karu: it's like buying a exotic car, thinking if you paid $75K for it, it would be flawless [16:19] Mercury Barnes: 4870 and 3870 are quiet and don't suck power. [16:19] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Not on a hand-held, but anyone tried Xenki? It's a Web-based SL client [16:19] AJ Brooks: never tired anything other than the SL client [16:20] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AjaxLife is the one for cellphones (but not full featured) [16:20] JeanClaude Vollmar: I started messing with METAbolt [16:20] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Xenki runs in Firefox [16:20] Prospero Linden: AjaxLife is a web-client thing... you can run it on any web browser that supports Javascript [16:20] AJ Brooks: i'm very leary to give my SL password to anyone other than SL [16:20] Prospero Linden: AJ : wise :) [16:20] Natalee Barrymore: wow! [16:20] AJ Brooks: i might try with an ALT [16:20] IzzyLander Karu sees that today's talked ended up being: Computing Specification for an SL Enabled Campus [16:20] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: here's Au's blog entry with links to Xenki and Ajaxlife: http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2008/08/introducing-xen.html [16:20] Prospero Linden: Oh, and, SL runs better if you have a few cats about. Important tip. [16:21] Aldrif Avro: thanks everyone, I have to leave a bit early! [16:21] Prospero Linden: Except [16:21] AJ Brooks: well - its been more than that - some folks are seeing individual use questions answered [16:21] Prospero Linden: You have to open up the computer and use compressed air every so often to remove cat hair. [16:21] AJ Brooks: later Susan. opps [16:21] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I find that sometimes Onrez viewer will run on lower-than-spec PCs and Macs [16:21] IzzyLander Karu: lol [16:21] Wonderalica Alturas: I tried Ajaxlife yesterday and could see all my contancts on line in my iphone. but wanted to send IMS but did not work... [16:21] AJ Brooks: wow - really [16:21] Prospero Linden: Yeah, Onrez... and there are some individual builds out there that you might try [16:21] Prospero Linden hears lots of people say they use the Nicholaz viewer, but he hasn't tried it. [16:22] Prospero Linden: The Nicholaz viewer forked quite a while back. [16:22] Prospero Linden is not sure if there's a version yet that has the security patches in [16:22] IzzyLander Karu uses the Cool Viewer by Boy Lane and can't complain much [16:22] Mercury Barnes: KirstenLee fan here. [16:22] AJ Brooks: as we get toward the end of the meeting, I'd liek to remind everyone that we'll be meeting here next week at this same time. And also, if you want a say in when themeetings will chagen to - date and time, make sure to join the SL EDUCATION ROUNDTABLE group right now - I'll eb sending out a survey form soon after this meeting [16:23] IzzyLander Karu: and i do believe the coolviewer was based on Nicholaz's with some enhancements [16:23] Wonderalica Alturas: tks [16:23] Prospero Linden: In any even t-- if you use a 3rd party viewer, please check with the people who distribute it to make sure it gets security patches [16:23] AJ Brooks: we end at 4:30 but I'll be hangin gout if others want to as well [16:23] Wonderalica Alturas: tks Prospero, it's right... [16:23] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yes--Onrez updates, but do the others often enough? [16:24] IzzyLander Karu: Thanks for the reminder Prospero. [16:24] AJ Brooks: perhaps asign of agood developer is if they are on top of the update already [16:24] IzzyLander Karu: AJ, someohow i don't think we're into gout. but, thanks for the offer. hahahhaa [16:24] Ignatius Onomatopoeia agrees [16:24] AJ Brooks: lol [16:24] Mercury Barnes: ...patched days ago. [16:24] AJ Brooks: i have all this gout I need to hang, you won't help? [16:25] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: gout? ewwwwww [16:25] AJ Brooks: lol [16:25] Prospero Linden: OK, folks, I need to head out. Have fun everybody [16:25] Zotarah Shepherd: Grrrrrout? [16:25] Natalee Barrymore: me too [16:25] IzzyLander Karu: nope, your on your own buddy...sorry [16:25] AJ Brooks: Propsero - thanks - gret to see you again [16:25] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thanks Prospero..tc [16:25] Natalee Barrymore: Thanks for allthe info [16:25] Prospero Linden waves generally [16:25] Zotarah Shepherd: SSUs loss Prospero. *grins* [16:26] IzzyLander Karu: thanks for coming Prospero [16:26] Natalee Barrymore: see y'all soon [16:26] AJ Brooks: for those leaving, thanks for coming - don't forget next weeks meeting and the SL EDUCATION ROUNDTBLE group [16:26] Mercury Barnes: AJ, what are you looking for at Educause? [16:26] AJ Brooks: if you want an invite, IM me and I'll send an invite before I sign off.. looing for? [16:26] Wonderalica Alturas: izzy, could u add me as friend? cannot find u.. :) [16:26] AJ Brooks: right click on him. sleect ADD FRIEND from wheel [16:26] Natalee Barrymore: ao on [16:27] Kayako Mayako: I have to dash too but will be back for the Educause meeting. Also, since I was just added to my institution's Educause membership list I am hoping for a lot of in-world Educause sessions! ;0 [16:27] Mercury Barnes: Yeah, the note, you want in-world and at the conference. [16:27] IzzyLander Karu: i'm right here ! hehe [16:27] Denise Infinity: I must also dash. Thanks everyone for the URLs :) [16:27] Kahuna Merlin: where will the educause space be in SL? here? [16:27] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: We can attend any in-world events at EDUCAUSE even if we are not at the RL conf? [16:27] AJ Brooks: oh - well we'll be meeting on the 22nd - the inworld group - adn then the join in world/ in person meeting will be on the 29th [16:27] Susie Felisimo: I have to exit too. Thanks. [16:27] IzzyLander Karu: i tried Wonder, but you were set to busy [16:27] IzzyLander Karu: hehe [16:28] AJ Brooks: yes - the in-world event this year is free [16:28] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: great! I'll try to be there. [16:28] AJ Brooks: it is not an EDUCAUSE meeting so much as it is an extention of the Virtual Worlds Constituent Group [16:28] Skagen Vita: I will be there :) [16:28] AJ Brooks: I wasn hoping you would volunteeer to heop out Iggy. :-) [16:28] Wonderalica Alturas: sorry izzy [16:28] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I will [16:28] Kahuna Merlin: aj, i'm coming to the RL. will you need any help? [16:28] AJ Brooks: we need in world volunetter [16:28] Wonderalica Alturas: did not realize [16:28] IzzyLander Karu: AJ, when's the Roundtabler Bar-B-Que? [16:28] Ignatius Onomatopoeia looks for suit to wear again [16:28] AJ Brooks: we'll be BBQing gout shortly [16:28] IzzyLander Karu: it's ok Wonder, we're squared away now :) [16:28] Zotarah Shepherd: hehe [16:29] Wonderalica Alturas: :) [16:29] Skagen Vita: what needs to be done inworld ? [16:29] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ, just send me the info on when/where and I'll be happy to help--voice moderation again? [16:29] IzzyLander Karu: ahh...i guess you'll be enjoying that extra crispy gout by yourself [16:29] AJ Brooks: well - we need folks to heop visitors make sure to be able to hear, get mics set up right (it will be streamed), answer questions [16:29] Wonderalica Alturas: great Ignatius... [16:30] Skagen Vita: what hour it starts? [16:30] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: my pleasure. Enjoyed it last year. [16:30] AJ Brooks: there are two meetings [16:30] IzzyLander Karu will help if he can [16:30] Skagen Vita: I can be. ;) [16:30] AJ Brooks: the in-world meeting of the SL Group will ned on the 22nd from 3pm to 5pm. the join meeting will coincide with the annual conference, which will be the 29th from 1:55pm to 3:10pm SLT [16:30] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: brb--phone (logging is on) [16:31] AJ Brooks: OH CRAP - I fogot to turn the actual LOGGIN on! LOL. well - I have the chat log. log minutes 90. AJ Brooks: lol. yup - I forogt [16:31] Wonderalica Alturas: well, thanks for all and will be looking forward to more suggestions about voice.. :) see u...and thanks AJ as usual [16:31] Zotarah Shepherd: hahaha AJ [16:31] AJ Brooks: my pleasure WOnder. log stop [16:31] Mercury Barnes: Thanks. [16:31] AJ Brooks: i'm such a dolt [16:32] JeanClaude Vollmar: I have to get outta here too. But I'll be back and the meetings next week. [16:32] IzzyLander Karu: don't be so hard on yourself AJ [16:32] AJ Brooks: the educasue joint meeting on the 29th shoudl be good [16:32] IzzyLander Karu: that's our job ! [16:32] AJ Brooks: we'll be streaming voice in world and be streaming in-world into orlando. and we're hoping to be able to stream orlando into SL, but that snot quite as wasy [16:32] Zotarah Shepherd: hehe [16:33] AJ Brooks: later JC [16:33] JeanClaude Vollmar: See you all again. [16:33] AJ Brooks: Peter should be sending somethign out the week before the meeting [16:33] Kahuna Merlin: thanks bye [16:33] AJ Brooks: just check the program and plan on being there [16:33] JeanClaude Vollmar: OK, I'll keep an eye out for it. [16:33] IzzyLander Karu: well, i'm off...t'care everyone [16:33] AJ Brooks: later izzy - look forward to your report next week. what excatly will you be reporting on? voice recording? [16:34] IzzyLander Karu: yes, voice recording [16:34] AJ Brooks: ok - excellnet - I'll put it into the notes [16:34] AJ Brooks: hope to attract folks [16:34] IzzyLander Karu: i might experiment with various apps and see how they stack up [16:34] AJ Brooks: do yourself a favor, write it out on a notecard first. :-) [16:34] Zotarah Shepherd: Bye all [16:35] AJ Brooks: Later Z - I barely got to say Hi. excellent. poof [16:35] IzzyLander Karu: okkie...ciao tuti ~ [16:35] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thanks folks. AJ, great to see you twice in one day :) [16:35] AJ Brooks shouts: later izzy! bye iggy [16:36] Skagen Vita: thank you. bye [16:36] AJ Brooks: we'll catch up on Friday, if not befire. bye Skagen. Hi Pamqui. I got your note - just so you know, we are currently on a waitlist [16:36] Pamqui Vita: hi. ok no problem [16:37] AJ Brooks: hopefully that will chagne soon, but its hard to say. but I will def. keep yo uinformed [16:37] Pamqui Vita: thanks AJ [16:37] AJ Brooks: sure thing [16:37] Pamqui Vita: i understand. have now a round table? [16:37] AJ Brooks: have fun - later. oh - yes [16:37] Pamqui Vita: ok [16:37] AJ Brooks: each week [16:37] Pamqui Vita: right? [16:37] AJ Brooks: in this location, we have the SL Education Roundtable [16:38] Pamqui Vita: oh nice [16:38] AJ Brooks: yes - you should come - and jon our group - SL EDUCATION ROUNDTABLE [16:38] Pamqui Vita: ok thanks im interesting in that. im not talk good english but i read it [16:39] AJ Brooks: there ya go. thats fine. italian? [16:39] Pamqui Vita: spanish [16:39] AJ Brooks: spain [16:39] Pamqui Vita: Puerto Rico [16:39] AJ Brooks: ok. i've been there - beautiful island [16:39] Pamqui Vita: i can leave from a group and acept yours. thanks AJ [16:40] AJ Brooks: ah - yes - the gropu dance. i hate having to make that coice [16:40] Pamqui Vita: yes i need more options hehehhehe [16:40] AJ Brooks: *voice [16:40] Pamqui Vita: but i like to be in your group [16:40] AJ Brooks: we've been begging SL for more gropus but its not that easy I'm afriad [16:41] Pamqui Vita: yes but if have an alt you can do it. i have an alt. but use pamqui all the time. ok im in your group now thanks [16:42] AJ Brooks: i have an alt I use for that too - to run these island. and also to create groups for the teachers. thanks you for joining [16:42] Pamqui Vita: oj nice. school teachers [16:42] AJ Brooks: university [16:43] Pamqui Vita: ok [16:43] AJ Brooks: aimn age the three islands that are here [16:43] Pamqui Vita: i know a proffesor that be interestin [16:43] AJ Brooks: *I manage [16:43] Pamqui Vita: OMG. thats nice [16:43] AJ Brooks: yes - its nice to be able to do SL for my job :-). or part of it at least [16:43] Pamqui Vita: yes. i like to work in SL hehehe [16:44] AJ Brooks: :-) do you teach [16:44] Pamqui Vita: i have a land in Caledon. im a librarian. virtual librarian [16:44] AJ Brooks: Caledon is nice [16:44] Pamqui Vita: in the university of puerto rico. at medicine campus [16:45] AJ Brooks: oh - nice - in SJ? [16:45] Pamqui Vita: yes [16:45] AJ Brooks: i really do love PR - great island [16:45] Pamqui Vita: i want to know sl to use for work [16:46] AJ Brooks: you need to visit Info Island. and get to know Lori Bell [16:46] Pamqui Vita: i know yet. and marimar bechot [16:46] AJ Brooks: her SL name is Lorelei Junot. there are a lot of librairans doing great things in SL [16:47] Pamqui Vita: i make an exhibition there. yes [16:47] AJ Brooks: great [16:47] Pamqui Vita: exhibition about puerto rican artist [16:47] AJ Brooks: gret! great [16:47] Pamqui Vita: painters? thats correct? [16:47] AJ Brooks: my alt owns an art gallery [16:48] Pamqui Vita: oh nice [16:48] AJ Brooks: I have a link for it in my PICKS in my profile. yes - painters [16:48] Pamqui Vita: can i se it [16:48] AJ Brooks: I am into photographic art [16:48] Pamqui Vita: wow [16:48] AJ Brooks: check out my profile [16:48] Pamqui Vita: ok [16:48] AJ Brooks: under the PICKS tab. one second [16:48] Pamqui Vita: thanks [16:49] AJ Brooks: thats my main gallery - my alt is Wealthy Mizer [16:49] Pamqui Vita: thanks i can visit it [16:49] AJ Brooks: please do. i have some things I need to do, so I have to run [16:49] Pamqui Vita: yes i like galleries and photography [16:50] AJ Brooks: nice chatting with you [16:50] Pamqui Vita: me too Aj. i see you in the afternoon here [16:50] AJ Brooks: yes - I was getting ready for todays meeting. putting up the sign to my left. and gettign notes ready :-) [16:50] Pamqui Vita: yes [16:51] AJ Brooks: never a dull moment [16:51] Pamqui Vita: feel free to go to caledon [16:51] AJ Brooks: oh - by the way - your english is very good [16:51] Pamqui Vita: ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh thanks. i dont think the same hehehheheh. only try to you understand me [16:51] AJ Brooks: lol - well, thats good - it will keep you practicing [16:52] Pamqui Vita: thanks AJ [16:52] AJ Brooks: sure - talk to you again soon. take care [16:52] Pamqui Vita: ok take care and nice night