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SL Education Roundtable - Montclair State Islands Tuesday, October 14, 2008 Open Forum

[15:32] AJ Brooks: log minutes 90 [15:32] Aldrif Avro: Oops, not sure if I did this right [15:32] AJ Brooks: hi everyone - come on down [15:32] Aldrif Avro: Vicki, touch the blue thing on the table, and then touch any empty chair to sit in it. Welcome! [15:32] AJ Brooks: hey folks - come on down and join us at the table [15:33] Aldrif Avro: AJ Brooks runs the meeting, he also let me and my students use some MSU land for free this semester [15:33] AJ Brooks: clikc on the empty seat, there will alway be one more than needed. Please make sure to click the chat recorder in the center of the table. Hey JC [15:33] JeanClaude Vollmar: Hey AJ [15:33] AJ Brooks: if yo dn't, you'll get a note reminding you that you haven't every time you say something. Since I was running a few minutes late, we'll give fols a chance to catch up with us [15:34] JeanClaude Vollmar: We're trickling in it looks like [15:34] AJ Brooks: folks sitting up in the amphitheater, this is a roundtable meeting, so folks sit down here with us - so come on down [15:34] Tuxedo Ninetails: Okies [15:34] AJ Brooks: there will always be one more chair than person and you don't need to speak just because you sit down here [15:34] Aldrif Avro: AJ, say hi to Vicki Rexen, she's a librarian at USF, I invited her to see the roundtable today [15:35] AJ Brooks: Hi Vicki, welcome [15:35] Vic Michalak: The table grows to accommodate everyone... [15:35] Vicki Rexen: Hi AJ - Thanks! [15:35] Philled Graves: hey Yall, come on down and sit at the table. We don't bite. Or at least i don't [15:35] Tuxedo Ninetails: Hehe! [15:35] AJ Brooks: the number of seats does, if I want to make the table bigger or smaller, as the owner, I can do that [15:35] Aldrif Avro: Uh, Tuxedo, shall I move? [15:35] Aerdna Beaumont: i can´t see the table, lol [15:36] Aldrif Avro: grin [15:36] Massimino Ragu: i am stuck under the steps [15:36] Tuxedo Ninetails: Sorry about that Aldrif [15:36] AJ Brooks: we're a friendly bunch [15:36] Aldrif Avro: np, I once danced on the roundtable myself [15:36] Tuxedo Ninetails: Talk about getting to know someone fast - just sit on their lap! [15:36] Massimino Ragu: thats much better [15:36] AJ Brooks: that happens all the time - sometimes people can't see the avatar in the seat [15:36] Aldrif Avro: we're colleagues! I never have this much fun in RL faculty meetings [15:37] AJ Brooks: right clikc on an empty chair [15:37] Massimino Ragu: may i sit in? [15:37] Aldrif Avro: make sure it's empty, tee hee [15:37] AJ Brooks: please do - we all sit around the table for thse meetings [15:37] Massimino Ragu: thank u [15:37] Aldrif Avro: I think a new chair appears when the empty one is touched? [15:37] JeanClaude Vollmar: Wow, look at it fill up! [15:37] AJ Brooks: the item in the center of the table is a chat logger. please make sure to click it or the chat log will reflect that something was said, but that the person refused to allow it to be published. If you're not a permitted chatter you will also get a reminder each time you say something. We provide a copy of the chat logs, so its nice to have everyones input. I'm going to wait another 2 mnutes before getting started. Normally I start close to on time but I was a few minutes delayed today with the notices to folks. all I see of aerdna is her hair [15:39] JeanClaude Vollmar chuckles [15:40] JeanClaude Vollmar: I was wondering about that [15:40] Aerdna Beaumont: lol [15:40] Massimino Ragu: there is a meeting on iste island a 9pm eastern if anyone is interested [15:40] Aerdna Beaumont: the best part [15:40] AJ Brooks: ok - so lets get started. Hi everyone, and welcome. This is the SL Education Roundtable, made possible by the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University. We meet here each week at 3:30pm SLT for an hour. Sometimes we have a topic, sometimes its an open forum, like this evening. A few announcements, before we get started. This is a pubilc meeting, and we keep transcripts of the chat. Past meeting chat transcripts can be found in The HUGE Bldg, just outside the Amphitheater. Enter the door that runs along the canal and make a left. We do have a chat logger - its here in the middle of the table. we are asking everyone to click it so their comments are logged. If you don't you will get a reminder each time that you are not being logged. This is being tested - if all goes well, I'll have info soon on when this might be available. I'm not the scripter, so please hold off on questions for now. If you have Mystitool on, or other similiar tool, please put it to sleep. :-) On Wednesday, October 22nd, from 3pm SLT to 5pm SLT, here in the CHSSSouth Amphitheater, the EDUCAUSE Virtual Worlds Second Life Group will be meeting. We will be discussions a few things, but most important will be the upcoming simultaneous meeting of the EDUCAUSE Virtual Worlds Constitutent Group the following week (more in a moment). Please join us, even if you will not be in Orlando at the EDUCAUSE Annual Conference. Please also put aside the 29th of October, that is a Wednesday. The EDUCAUSE Virtual Worlds Constituent Group will be having its Annual Meeting in Orlando and there will also be a meeting here in SL. Details to follow, but feel free to join the EDUCAUSE Virutal Worlds group here in SL or come to our meeting just mentioned, at 3pm SLT on the 22nd. Both IN WORLD events (the 22nd and 29th) are free and one does not need to be a member of EDUCAUSE to attend. The IN PERSON event is included as part of the EDUCAUSE Annual Conference registration. The organizers for the EDUCAUSE event on the 29th are looking for both in-world and in-person (Orlando) volunteers. If you are intersted, please let me know. On the side wall, here inside the Amphitheater, there is a notecard giver with information on the D.I.D.I program. Click the sign to grab a notcard and "Learn how you can receive up to $1000 USD seed funding for social entrepreneurial ventures with the Dream It. Do It. Initiative in Second Life!" This meeting happens each week, but we are looking to develop a community of educators from around the world with a variety of thoughts, needs, and ideas. Please join the SL EDUCATION ROUNDTABLE group. If you have problems finding it in search, IM me and I will send you an invite sometime after this meeing but before I log for the night. As the group grows, there will be announcements and such that will be exclusive to the group. I'm also open for ideas of what can bring value to the group. One such event is ongoing. We are considering changing the time of this meeting. A notice was sent out ONLY to those in the SL Education Roundtable group asking about times and days that might be best. If you'd like to share your input, please join the group - another reminder will be sent later tonight. Actually - another reminder will not be send - its coming up right now. At this point, next weeks meeting will also be an open forum. If you have an idea for a future meeting, please drop me a notecard or an IM. Speaking of next meeting, the tally is still two close and, in fact, two times are tied. I'm gonig to put out a one-day survey to the SLED and EDUCAUSE VE listserves. I'll use a different but identical survey so I can know which votes came from SLER folks and which from others. If you've not already done so, please visit the survey at https://surveys.montclair.edu/survey/entry.jsp?id=1222396480338. Lastly, please wander around the island - tonight after the meeting or come back any time. we're currently up to 21 different educational community members here on CHSSSouth. There are also numerous learning areas on the adjoining islands, Montclair State CHSS and Montclair State CEHSADP. We'll start our meeting as we usually do. Please introduce yourself. Tell us who you are, where you are from, and what you do. No need to wait for others to type - go ahead and enter your information right away, we can all catch up in chat history. I am AJ Kelton, I'm the Director of Emerging Instructional Technology for the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University and the Coordinator of the Second Life Project for the College of Education and Human Services, also at MSU.. We're located in northern New Jersey, just fourteen miles from midtown Manhattan. [15:45] Philled Graves: Rick Shaw, Director College Technical Services, Ventura College [15:45] Aldrif Avro: Susan Penner, nursing, University of San Francisco, using MSU land for student projects this semester [15:45] Cheryl Undercroft: My name is Cheryl and I am a high school library media specialist from Connecticut [15:45] Calisto Encinal: James T. Abraham, Glendale Community College, AZ, Spanish faculty [15:45] JeanClaude Vollmar: I'm JC (Jeff Le Blanc in RL). I'm VP for IT at the University of Northwestern Ohio. [15:46] Lorna Despres: My name is Lorna - I am a middle school library media specialist in Michigan [15:46] Vicki Rexen: Vicki Rosen, Distance Learning Services Librarian, University of San Francisco [15:46] AJ Brooks: come one folks, don't be shy [15:46] Massimino Ragu: massimo marini teacher of tv production hackensack middle school, hackensack nj [15:46] AJ Brooks: feel free to grab and empty seat and also introduce yourself. If you are getting a message saying you are not a permitted speaker, click the chat logger in the middle of the table [15:46] Vic Michalak: Dept Head of CIS at U of the Incarnate Word in San Antoni Texas... [15:46] ShaRae Karu: how did i get under the table? [15:47] Caris Dominquez: I'm Vic's asst. [15:47] Skagen Vita: Sha click on the chair [15:47] AJ Brooks: did we get everyone? [15:47] Bungy Bingyi: I am Director of Technology for a public charter high school in Oakland CA [15:47] Tuxedo Ninetails: Mex Butler, currently 'resting' from paid employment, doing a Master iof IT in Education.. Worked for the last decade or so as an instructional designer, online teacher, academic developer. [15:47] Caris Dominquez: I'm Vic's asst. [15:47] AJ Brooks: anyone else? [15:47] Aerdna Beaumont: Aerdna Beaumont, Brazil, InstructionalDesigner, Fundap/Interlab [15:48] AJ Brooks: going once [15:48] AJ Brooks: :-) [15:48] Rider Thespian: Adrian Gilpin, Institute of Human Development, UK (and rezzing!) [15:48] AJ Brooks: Ok - thanks everyone. Oh, one final note - it is really hard for me to keep up with IMs while I run the meeting, but I promise to get back to anyone who IMs me as soon after the meeting as I can. [15:48] Bungy Bingyi: I am Director of Technology for a public charter high school in Oakland CA [15:48] Wirecutter Renard: Wire renard MCT and CCNA Aerdna's assistant [15:48] AJ Brooks: so - I'd like to start out with the meeting date and time. We don't have a decisive winner. So I can't make an announcement yet. If you've not put your two cents in, its not too late. I'll give the URL again. If you've not already done so, please visit the survey at https://surveys.montclair.edu/survey/entry.jsp?id=1222396480338. I'll speak slowly so folks can go do that now :-). s p e a k v e r y s l o w l y lol. Anyway, you may want to see the time the same and can also indicate that in the survey. someone was going to give us an update on recording voice chat, but I've forgotten who. Is that person here? guess not. ok [15:51] Massimino Ragu: the fraps program can recrd video and voice [15:51] CHSSSouth Amphitheater Base: patch Paulino arrived from (4)RezEd site [15:51] AJ Brooks: well - we were talking about the advatanges of chat transcripts, and why some folks prefer chat, like me [15:52] Vic Michalak: anonymity.... [15:52] AJ Brooks: it makes for an easy and quick to get transciprt [15:52] AJ Brooks: well - text chat is not anonymous [15:52] Massimino Ragu: one can always copy and paste as well [15:52] Aldrif Avro: I like chat as it's often more succinct and to the point than voice [15:52] Vicki Rexen: I'm still struggling to get my voice chat to work - could be a firewall issue - on a mac. [15:53] AJ Brooks: peopel also have not gotten chat etiquite down [15:53] Robby Kowalski: text is anonymous in that a voice can show that your av is not "accurate" [15:53] AJ Brooks: ah - yes - gender issues [15:53] Vic Michalak: voice gives away language, gender, age, culture... [15:53] AJ Brooks: etc.... [15:53] Tuxedo Ninetails: I like chat for all the above reasons. It also means we can all talk at once quickly without problems. [15:53] AJ Brooks: agreed - another reason I like it. I do think there is a place for chat, I was in a meeting today and we used chat - but there were three of us. You can scroll chat back, can't do that with voice [15:54] Massimino Ragu: also eliminates carpel tunnel [15:54] Vic Michalak: voice is a quicker way to conduct classes [15:54] AJ Brooks: depends - its good for lecturing I suppose [15:54] Bungy Bingyi: I think of text as being more easily indexed - where as voice is not. [15:54] Robby Kowalski: text gives you a chance to rethink what you want to say before hitting enter [15:54] Aldrif Avro: and of course languages and the like...you need voice [15:54] AJ Brooks: a reason that some quiter students participate more in text based environments [15:54] Robby Kowalski: no backspace button on my mouth. :-) [15:54] Bungy Bingyi: Yes - less ums in text chats [15:54] Philled Graves: thoughtful commuincation? hmmmmm nice dea [15:54] Bluesy Indigo: lol [15:54] Vic Michalak: ..and responses..... voice is good for more directed for controlled situations.... [15:54] Bluesy Indigo: oopise [15:54] Massimino Ragu: heard an open mic...cough [15:54] Vicki Rexen: I've read of software that masks your voice [15:55] AJ Brooks: i wish there was a backspace on my mouth sometimes [15:55] Mercury Barnes: my right Bluesy [15:55] Massimino Ragu: or a delete [15:55] Bluesy Indigo: ty [15:55] Massimino Ragu: yes al [15:55] AJ Brooks: afk. sorry [15:55] Bluesy Indigo: cool [15:55] Bluesy Indigo: thanks [15:55] AJ Brooks: not afk. sl is freaking out on me. Well - now you all heard my voice. lol [15:55] Tuxedo Ninetails: Chat is more participatory. [15:56] Bluesy Indigo: ouch :0 [15:56] Mercury Barnes: Voice plus chat is a skill. [15:56] AJ Brooks: some is sick [15:56] Robby Kowalski: voice is also one more possible technical problem [15:56] Bluesy Indigo: time for a lozenger, honey [15:56] AJ Brooks: lol [15:56] Bluesy Indigo: smiles [15:56] Massimino Ragu: also with chat...can go to rest room, come back and review what i missed [15:56] Vic Michalak: Yes... this is a direced and controlled situation wherhe most do not care if someone hears their voice.... that is not always the case.... [15:56] Robby Kowalski: tmi [15:56] AJ Brooks: yes - scroll back is a big thing for me [15:56] Tuxedo Ninetails: Sounds like a lot of people like chat. [15:56] AJ Brooks: this meeting would be harder to run in voice [15:56] Philled Graves: much! [15:57] Vic Michalak: definitely... [15:57] Tuxedo Ninetails nods and agrees. [15:57] AJ Brooks: in fact, it might be that this is possible because of chat. Even tho chat can go by pretty quickly [15:57] Jarrad Voom: But it also easy to get two or three lines going at once in chat [15:57] Vic Michalak: And most times I have seen it run there are always tech problems for some particiaptns.... [15:57] Bungy Bingyi: Is voice more difficult because we don't have facial queues? [15:57] AJ Brooks: yes - that is hard to control. I do try. in other meetings I've been to its a free for all [15:57] Bluesy Indigo: for keeping notes [15:57] Massimino Ragu: no difficult due to overlap [15:57] Bluesy Indigo: it is easier to chat. In text [15:58] Vic Michalak: SL in general is more difficutl without body language..... [15:58] Mercury Barnes: Chat is the sophisticated morse code of SL. [15:58] AJ Brooks: morse cod? code [15:58] Mercury Barnes: The 50% of the time chat emotion is miscontrued, applies, far, far less with voice. [15:58] Massimino Ragu: and chat makes translation possible [15:58] Bluesy Indigo: morris cod? giggles [15:58] AJ Brooks: lol [15:58] Tuxedo Ninetails: Nice one Mercury! [15:58] Bluesy Indigo: let's degrief \o/ [15:58] Vic Michalak: What Samuel had for dinner when he inventing the code.... [15:58] Mercury Barnes: Code, the lowest level of communication. [15:58] Bluesy Indigo: giggles [15:58] Jarrad Voom: I can wink with voice easier tht cha [15:58] Bluesy Indigo: taha. that's cute [15:59] Skagen Vita: using translator is also an improvment of communication. Only chat allows for this [15:59] Mercury Barnes: I am, totally, irreovacably, sold on the fact that voice has a hugely important place here. [15:59] AJ Brooks: yes - its like star treks universal translater. It does [15:59] Skagen Vita: yes sometimes [15:59] Vic Michalak: OKAY..... Question: WHere do you get the translator???? [15:59] AJ Brooks: NOT in a settling like this tho [15:59] Massimino Ragu: voice is best at a lecture with one person speaking [15:59] AJ Brooks: I think the ICT Library has one [15:59] Philled Graves: i have something called a babbler [15:59] Massimino Ragu: free translators available use search [15:59] Philled Graves: does a good job in most comon languages [16:00] Vic Michalak: I saw it work well with Japanese visitors - rendered understandable English.... [16:00] AJ Brooks: no - not liek that Mass, it s ahud [16:00] Bluesy Indigo: recording rss feed would be lovely [16:00] Robby Kowalski is trying to imagine the bandwidth of this conversation taking place in voice! [16:00] AJ Brooks: you put it on and it translates into the SL chat [16:00] Bluesy Indigo: not in ipod with one speaker at a time [16:00] AJ Brooks: you pick the langauge and it does your native langauge and the selected language [16:00] Bluesy Indigo: and added to one stream [16:00] AJ Brooks: babbler is a good example [16:00] Bluesy Indigo: of updates [16:01] AJ Brooks: so - having rehashed our voice topic form last week. :-) [16:01] Philled Graves: but yess the babbler i hvae is only good for one lanuage at atime [16:01] AJ Brooks: yup [16:01] Tuxedo Ninetails: I love voice for specific situations. [16:01] AJ Brooks: I haven't done a straw poll in a while.... [16:02] Bluesy Indigo: For personal tracking - lots of items are out there for recording - iThinck - very cool but a freebie is Bletaverse [16:02] Jarrad Voom: Which Tuzedo? [16:02] Bluesy Indigo: is cool for blog - and the web can ve then translated to read. very simplified no editing. however, [16:03] AJ Brooks: If there is more on voice, etc...speak up now, I'd like to perhaps move on [16:03] Tuxedo Ninetails: Jarrad, I've found it very helpful for troubleshooting technical problems [16:03] Jarrad Voom: Oh yes [16:03] Bluesy Indigo: I'm just listening - thanks [16:03] Jarrad Voom: Right [16:03] Bluesy Indigo: unless I don't. ta ha [16:03] AJ Brooks: by saying yes - anyone here planning on attending EDUCAUSE in Orlando [16:03] Bluesy Indigo: I can speak [16:03] JeanClaude Vollmar: Yes [16:03] AJ Brooks: YES [16:03] Tuxedo Ninetails: J, we also used voice (not in SL) for some distance ed courses with great success [16:03] Bluesy Indigo: woo Hoooo! oops [16:04] Mercury Barnes: Yes, I'll be there. [16:04] Tuxedo Ninetails: I wish! [16:04] Jarrad Voom: Hi Bluesy [16:04] AJ Brooks: ok - only three of us? [16:04] Bluesy Indigo: I think I lost me seat hahahah. okay I'll talk [16:04] AJ Brooks: so - how many of you might attned the in-world portino of that meeting - say YES [16:04] Bluesy Indigo: I'm in clearwatr - so I suppose [16:04] Aerdna Beaumont: yes [16:04] Jarrad Voom: Take my seat [16:04] Robby Kowalski: I'm hoping to attend in SL. Travel budgets were killed this year. [16:05] Philled Graves: i'm going to try [16:05] Tuxedo Ninetails: I'd love to! [16:05] Massimino Ragu: no [16:05] Aldrif Avro: yes, I'll try... [16:05] Philled Graves: have to move a standing meeting [16:05] Lorna Despres: yes - maybe - depending on the time available [16:05] Massimino Ragu: nice entrance bluesy [16:05] Mercury Barnes: I will, schedule willing. [16:05] Bluesy Indigo: Excellent! [16:05] Vicki Rexen: I'm in nyc for a conference but would like to try. depends on the hotel's connection. [16:05] Bluesy Indigo: still stuck. brb. dangit [16:05] Aldrif Avro: Please be sure to get the details of the in-world meeting out so we can plan... [16:05] AJ Brooks: ok - I gave them out earlier in this meeting also [16:05] Skagen Vita: yes [16:05] Aldrif Avro: oops, I'll scroll back [16:05] Massimino Ragu: notice all the guys looked up? [16:05] AJ Brooks: but will be sedning out reminders later tongith to the lists [16:05] Birdie Newcomb is Offline [16:06] AJ Brooks: we are also having an in-world only meeting on the 22nd - anyone planning on attending that? [16:06] Philled Graves: hope too [16:06] JeanClaude Vollmar: Yes, I am [16:06] Aldrif Avro: No, I teach then [16:06] Skagen Vita: I will [16:06] Aerdna Beaumont: Yes [16:06] Robby Kowalski: if possible [16:07] AJ Brooks: the meeting on the 22nd willbe right here [16:07] Vicki Rexen: probably not. [16:07] Massimino Ragu: good test [16:07] AJ Brooks: the one on the 29th is tba, but it will possible be here as wekk. someone has a mic open. Ok - those were my two straw polls oh - I have another one - how many people here are from outside the US? [16:08] Aerdna Beaumont: Me [16:08] Skagen Vita: me too [16:08] AJ Brooks: Oh - btw, I"ll be in SP on Thursday [16:08] Aerdna Beaumont: WOW [16:08] AJ Brooks: we shoudl take before you sign off [16:08] Aerdna Beaumont: yes [16:08] AJ Brooks: ok - so two of you from outside the US? I hope the rest of you have registered to vote [16:09] Bluesy Indigo: my mic is off - but it is green. should I mute myself? [16:09] Aerdna Beaumont: where? [16:09] AJ Brooks: anyone have a pressing issue or question they want an answer to? i see typing :-) [16:10] Vic Michalak: The world-wide economy... [just kidding] [16:10] AJ Brooks: SL's version of visual cues [16:10] Corwin Carillon is Online [16:10] AJ Brooks: well - lets talk about economy. How has the economy impacted SL? [16:10] Vic Michalak: SL is free! (kind of ) [16:10] Tuxedo Ninetails is from Australia [16:10] AJ Brooks: are schools slowing down investment or hedging? SL is free if you don't want land [16:11] Robby Kowalski: I can't funding for land, lindens, or developers [16:11] Philled Graves: land business in here has tanked, and has been bad since April [16:11] Zotarah Shepherd: I was just on the TG and talking about if the grids merged. Apparently that might happen in about a year. [16:11] AJ Brooks: i saw that (Hey Z) They were talking about it like it was a done deal [16:11] Robby Kowalski: how will they protect the teens? [16:11] AJ Brooks: great question. How will they protect US from the teens [16:12] Robby Kowalski: there's a lot of not-so-nice people in the MG. [16:12] Vic Michalak: AJ.... I was talking with someone at the College Fair in Teen Grid (okay, my approved alt avatar) about buying an island and they said their univeristy had foregone that because of tightenting budgets.... [16:12] AJ Brooks: I spent one day on th TG for the college fair [16:12] Philled Graves: doesn't that go back to an earlier dialog about weather or not the teens need protecting? [16:12] AJ Brooks: they are pretty rambunctous [16:12] Tuxedo Ninetails: I have a question - I can't see the name of the roundtable group anywhere. What's it called, so I can join it? [16:12] AJ Brooks: all used voice. They were quite mischevious [16:13] Robby Kowalski: I got some great help at the fair from some of the teens. [16:13] Vic Michalak: But not malicious.... [16:13] Robby Kowalski: it was a lot of fun. [16:13] AJ Brooks: I'm not sure I want a band of kids - litterally - coming onto the chss island to play [16:13] Skagen Vita: look in Aj profile for group [16:13] Philled Graves: SL Education Roundtable [16:13] AJ Brooks: well no - but that doesn make it any less annoying or interruptive [16:13] Robby Kowalski: I'm more worried about wandering sickos seeking out the teens. [16:13] AJ Brooks: well - that too - of course [16:13] Vic Michalak: Yes... but they responded to asking them to desist.... unlike some grieferss... [16:13] Zotarah Shepherd: There are about 1000 teens on the MG I have been told by teens. [16:14] AJ Brooks: or perhaps them wandering around so much means they will find the pervs [16:14] Vic Michalak: Hmmmm..... Does LL know?? [16:14] Robby Kowalski: I can't imagine getting any funding after an someone writes an article about SL child stalking. [16:14] Philled Graves: i'm sure there are more than 1000, just not being honest about their ages [16:14] AJ Brooks: know what? [16:14] Tuxedo Ninetails: Guys, I'm fairly new to SL. Could you introduce acronyms please? [16:14] Philled Graves: sure fire [16:14] AJ Brooks: sure - which ones? [16:14] Robby Kowalski: Sorry Tuxedo [16:14] Tuxedo Ninetails: I mean explain them the first time you use them? [16:14] AJ Brooks: TG = teen grid [16:14] Philled Graves: LL = Linden Labs [16:15] Vic Michalak: SL - Second Life..... TG - Teen Grid (13-17_ [16:15] Tuxedo Ninetails: TG, MG [16:15] AJ Brooks: SL of course is Second Life [16:15] Robby Kowalski: TG= Teen Grid MG= Main Grid [16:15] Bluesy Indigo: I work with adult learners - they are just as vulnerable as teen learners [16:15] Skagen Vita: there is a procedure - a person who knows someone is a teen should file in Abuse Report - after age veryfication is done - but I dont know the details [16:15] Zotarah Shepherd: When LL finds one they send them to the TG and watch the ISP for more accounts. But there is not much LL can do if they do not know. [16:15] Tuxedo Ninetails: Ah! [16:15] Massimino Ragu: i have been told by a 11 yr old that he lied and has a regular adult sl account [16:15] Tuxedo Ninetails: I have lots of questions about that~ [16:15] AJ Brooks: sounds like a parental issue as well [16:15] Lorna Despres: I also met someone who said he was in the 8th grade -- on the MG [16:15] Philled Graves: i know one 7 y/o who parent has allowed the account, and monitors his acess [16:15] Robby Kowalski: AJ? Are assuming that parenting is an active thing? [16:15] AJ Brooks: 11 year old setting up an account on SL - those parents have more to worry about on the net than in SL [16:15] Vic Michalak: How many have seen sims that only allow verified age avs? [16:15] Massimino Ragu: sick [16:16] ShaRae Karu: Do you think introducing teens to this sort of environment SL would make them more succeptable to predators? [16:16] Caris Dominquez: if the kids are goin to lie and go on MG, then we should be teaching them how to take care of themselves [16:16] AJ Brooks: Is...I have no idea, should be - yes, its irresponsible not to be [16:16] Tuxedo Ninetails: How do teachers work with kids in the TG? [16:16] Skagen Vita: this is issue for parents - thye should control children - I know some parents who are strict about it [16:16] AJ Brooks: the adults have to be approved [16:16] Zotarah Shepherd: I don't think LL will join the grids until the Mature and PG lands are seperated. [16:16] Robby Kowalski: Tuxedo, adults can do background checks and be "approved" for the TG [16:16] AJ Brooks: hey don't need to be separated - jsut verifiable [16:16] Tuxedo Ninetails: How do you get approval AJ? [16:16] Lorna Despres: I think that there are probably many underage people here -- like any adult site or area on the Internet [16:17] Robby Kowalski: That's how several of us did the college fair. [16:17] AJ Brooks: you have to be invited to be part of a TG project [16:17] Zotarah Shepherd: Age verification might be required for Mature sims then too. [16:17] ShaRae Karu: lots of parents aren't around...kids have free reign [16:17] AJ Brooks: then you get a criminal background check [16:17] Vic Michalak: There are adults who have undergone background checks who make alternative avatars that are tranferredinto the the Teen Grid permanenetly... [16:17] Zotarah Shepherd: Otherwise how could LL protect teens. [16:17] Tuxedo Ninetails: THanks Robby - how do you get the background check done? I am outside the US. [16:17] Zotarah Shepherd: Yes I am one [16:17] Massimino Ragu: undercover teens? [16:17] Robby Kowalski: Some of us are kind enough to make the new av look the same, so friends will recognize us here! :-) [16:17] Skagen Vita: LL cant be a parent - or just introducing payment accounts only would close the case [16:17] Vic Michalak: Adults in the Teen Grid cannot see the Map or Profiles of teens and cannot give them anyone directtly..... [16:17] AJ Brooks: both of my TG avs look completely different [16:18] Robby Kowalski: Tuxedo, the group that invited me sent me a URL for the checking agency. [16:18] Zotarah Shepherd: You apply to an adult owned sim and they sponsor you and you get a background check through Ascertain [16:18] AJ Brooks: my Ramapo av is a Nekko. my Eye4You Alliance is a gamer [16:19] Robby Kowalski: Both of my avs are walking billboards for the college. [16:19] AJ Brooks: lol. robby - were you at teh college fiar? [16:19] Tuxedo Ninetails chuckles. [16:19] AJ Brooks: fair? [16:19] Robby Kowalski is a sales weasel... I mean recruiter. [16:19] AJ Brooks: ah - now I remember [16:19] Robby Kowalski: AJ, yes. I'm Darton Turbo. [16:19] AJ Brooks: sale weasel. right [16:19] Vic Michalak: my Eye4You Alliance avatar is Cardinal Skytower = to be a common avatar for the Admission Office when they get background checks! [16:19] Tuxedo Ninetails: Is there anyone here who would be willing to sponsor me? I'm happy to spend time, explain who I am and so on. [16:19] ShaRae Karu: What do the teens think of doing educational things in SL? [16:20] Vic Michalak: Darton! Hi.... I was behind Cardinal Skytower!! [16:20] Robby Kowalski: Hey Vic! [16:20] AJ Brooks: Its harder than you tink Tuxedo - those who own islands are quite protective. I was MontclairStateUniversity Magic which sucks to type in when you sign in :-) [16:20] Robby Kowalski: AJ had peanuts in his duck pond. [16:20] Tuxedo Ninetails: Well I'm fine with that. As long as there is a way for me to make a start. [16:20] Vic Michalak: Yes... Montclair was quite prominent there.... How about Monty? [16:21] AJ Brooks: I liked our duck pond [16:21] Robby Kowalski: me too [16:21] AJ Brooks: my student workers designed the whole thing. i hav five students, federal work study [16:21] Robby Kowalski: But it was hysterical when Mr. Peanut went for a swim! [16:22] AJ Brooks: I missed that [16:22] Vic Michalak: I did that whole thing because I am still in the process of getting our university involved in SL..... [16:22] Robby Kowalski: that's too bad.. that means you missed my whole string of horrible jokes about duck in peanut sauce. [16:22] AJ Brooks: lol - yes, and I went to save my chat rtarnscript and the viewer crashed. Boy was I pissed. lost the whole transcript [16:23] Vic Michalak: Hey... announcement before the fact.... there will be a large Collge Fair in the Main Grid in November..... look for the notices.... (Maybe we can catch the teens in SL here???) [16:23] Robby Kowalski: I didn't think to save the transcript, but I put my snapshots into a narrative that my Dean forwarded to the Pres and VP. Actually, my online program tends to draw adult learners. I'm stoked about having a fair on the MG. Now I just have to rebuild all my stuff, and find someone with spotlights. [16:24] Zotarah Shepherd: Yay Vic! [16:24] Vic Michalak: I will let AJ know about it when I know the details.... see Alice Burgeess in the Main Grid (Libby in TG).... [16:24] Robby Kowalski: I'm using the audlt fair as a way to fire up my design guys. I've told them our land has to be acceptable for visitors, so I can give out landmarks. [16:25] Vic Michalak: Alice Burgess* [16:25] Lorna Despres: I need to leave folks -- hope to attend some future meetings [16:25] Robby Kowalski: Do I have a graphics glitch or is someon blowing smoke rings? [16:26] Zotarah Shepherd: Bye Lorna [16:26] Robby Kowalski: Bye Lorna [16:26] AJ Brooks: As folks get ready to leave [16:26] Lorna Despres: Bye! [16:26] AJ Brooks: plese jon the group SL EDUCATION ROUNDTABLE to get updates on the meeting change. Bye lorna [16:26] Zotarah Shepherd: Philled is smoking a pipe again. *cough* [16:26] Philled Graves: oops, sorry about that [16:26] AJ Brooks: its american indian tobacco though, I understand [16:26] Philled Graves: gave up my pipe in rl. Love it in here ;-0 ;-) [16:27] AJ Brooks: let me give the dates again fro the two EDUCAUSE meetings - one sec. On Wednesday, October 22nd, from 3pm SLT to 5pm SLT, here in the CHSSSouth Amphitheater, the EDUCAUSE Virtual Worlds Second Life Group will be meeting. We will be discussions a few things, but most important will be the upcoming simultaneous meeting of the EDUCAUSE Virtual Worlds Constitutent Group the following week (more in a moment). Please join us, even if you will not be in Orlando at the EDUCAUSE Annual Conference. [16:28] ShaRae Karu: I just joined the listserv; will we get notices of meetings like this often? [16:28] Aldrif Avro: is the meeting the 29th at this location? [16:28] AJ Brooks: Please also put aside the 29th of October, that is a Wednesday. The EDUCAUSE Virtual Worlds Constituent Group will be having its Annual Meeting in Orlando and there will also be a meeting here in SL. Details to follow, but feel free to join the EDUCAUSE Virutal Worlds group here in SL or come to our meeting just mentioned, at 3pm SLT on the 22nd [16:28] Skagen Vita: do you still need volunteers? [16:29] AJ Brooks: the EDUCAUSE listserve? Yes - I annoucjne this meeting each week - and there are other things announced there [16:29] Zotarah Shepherd: I plan to go to those [16:29] AJ Brooks: the meeting on the 29th is still TBA for location, but probably here. Skagen, I have you down as a volunteer - thanks [16:29] ShaRae Karu: SLED listserv [16:29] Robby Kowalski: AJ, let me know what I can do. [16:29] AJ Brooks: I also make announcements bout thiese meetings on SLED [16:29] Zotarah Shepherd: I can volunteer too AJ. [16:30] AJ Brooks: Robby, Zotarah, for the in-world portion? [16:30] Skagen Vita: ok thank you [16:30] Robby Kowalski: yes. No Orlando trips for this recruiter. [16:30] AJ Brooks: Ok - I'll give your names to the in-world coordinator [16:30] Robby Kowalski: or anyone else my University System for that matter [16:30] Aldrif Avro: TTFN, everyone, until next week! [16:30] CHSSSouth Amphitheater Base: Olf Ort arrived from (0)Walk-Ups [16:30] Zotarah Shepherd: It would be good to announce the topic of the week on SLED if you have one AJ [16:31] Philled Graves: good discussion all... thanks again AJ for hosting! [16:31] Mercury Barnes: Has something come through the Educause VW list yet? [16:31] AJ Brooks: Z - are you gong to be in-world or on-site? [16:31] Olf Ort: Hi AJ and all can I join in? [16:31] Bungy Bingyi: Thanks everyone for a lively discussion - gonna bail as well. [16:31] AJ Brooks: Philled - Grazia and I can't seem to connect - she's never in world [16:31] Zotarah Shepherd: in-world only AJ. Too far for me [16:31] AJ Brooks: ok Z - thanks. Z - if I do have a topic I announce it [16:31] Vicki Rexen: Good bye everyone. Thank you for letting me sit in. Hope to return! [16:32] AJ Brooks: later vicki - please do come back again [16:32] JeanClaude Vollmar: I guess I'll head out too. I'll see you all next week. See you AJ! [16:33] AJ Brooks: The in-world coordinator is Ignatius Onomatopoeia. Later JC [16:33] Jarrad Voom: tc Jean Claude [16:33] AJ Brooks: log stop [16:34] Tuxedo Ninetails: I'd like to volunteer also AJ [16:34] AJ Brooks: in -world or on-site in orland? [16:34] Tuxedo Ninetails: Not sure how useful I can be at this stage., but I'm sure I'll learn a lot. In world [16:34] AJ Brooks: Iggy will get in touch with everyone shortly [16:35] Skagen Vita: ok [16:35] Tuxedo Ninetails: Iggy? [16:35] AJ Brooks: yes - the in-world coordinator for the program. Although my avatar will be in-world, and presenting, I will also be in Orland, moderating from there [16:37] AJ Brooks: ok everyone - thanks for coming [16:37] Robby Kowalski: thanks AJ [16:37] AJ Brooks: please rmember to keep your eyes out for the new meeting time [16:37] Mercury Barnes: Thanks. [16:37] Skagen Vita: thank you [16:37] Wirecutter Renard: i only needed to stand I get tired of sitting at this computer......LOL [16:37] Bluesy Indigo: I can volunteer easily but I can't pay for a conference - it isn't in my budget [16:38] Tuxedo Ninetails: Thanks AJ. Thanks everyone! This was great! [16:38] AJ Brooks: well - there is not cost for the in-world portion [16:38] Mercury Barnes: Do you have a rough idea of who will be presenting AJ? [16:38] Bluesy Indigo: Are you saving the topic for another discussion - perhaps a poster session. Sorry for the sarcasm [16:38] AJ Brooks: it is not a presnetation - it is a constituent group meeting, which is billed as a discussion [16:38] Bluesy Indigo: but honestly. lol. Glad I'm not your admin :0. I wouldn't give you a charge number, honey [16:39] AJ Brooks: the point of the meetings is to let the constituents talk and particpate [16:39] Bluesy Indigo: SOL. uh huh [16:39] Mercury Barnes: k, still, the meeting is likely to be packed with folks that don't know VW's -- Seattles was. [16:39] AJ Brooks: so it will be more like me moderating a discussion, and my plan is to not talk exclusively about SL either. But I've yet to meet with the organizing committee to review what our talking pints are going to be. Probably a VERY brief introduction to VWs. There are a dozen other sessions this year on VWs [16:40] Robby Kowalski: "pints"? is it going to be one of those meetings? [16:40] AJ Brooks: then some about non-SL work. lol - don't you speak Typonese? LOL [16:41] Mercury Barnes: OK, the Midwest Educase last Spring had agood speaker presenting on "when VW's will hit." -- haven't checked if he made it to the National (bet he did). [16:41] Robby Kowalski: hehehehe [16:41] AJ Brooks: "points" [16:41] AJ Brooks: I am personally involved in two (or three) others OTHER THAN the CG meeting. three: a point/counterpoint, an assessment panel, and a learning spaces session. Plus I am sure there are other peopel presenting - I know there are two at the same time on Friday. My buddy Shannon Ritter from PSU is doing one. So - anyway - being a CG means having to cater to those who attend [16:42] Mercury Barnes: That, it's being used locally for office hours, and I use it like an info-commons when I write. [16:43] AJ Brooks: so to some extent - it becomes like a town hall type meeting [16:43] Mercury Barnes: I like "being around others," when I work. [16:44] AJ Brooks: Merc, please do come to the meeting on the 22nd, we are going to be talking about the meeting on the 29th and doing some planning [16:44] Mercury Barnes: Good, time fits (thankfully...:) [16:44] AJ Brooks: EGGSellent! [16:44] Mercury Barnes: Bye for now.:) [16:45] AJ Brooks: Late. Aerdna [16:45] Bluesy Indigo: an agenda might help. Just a suggestion. to outline [16:45] Aerdna Beaumont: Yes [16:45] Bluesy Indigo: your discussion [16:46] AJ Brooks: I'm flying out of Newark tomorow. I'll be in SP Thusday AM [16:46] Robby Kowalski: SP? [16:46] Aerdna Beaumont: nice [16:46] Bluesy Indigo: I'm looking forward to meeting some of you - I hoe. lol [16:46] AJ Brooks: I'm not sure yet if we are going directly to Avare or if we will be spending the night in SP [16:46] Bluesy Indigo: hope. don't call me a hoe. Gigglers [16:46] Aerdna Beaumont: aww [16:46] Jarrad Voom: winks [16:46] Bluesy Indigo: I'm teasing [16:46] AJ Brooks: yes - this one is very short [16:46] Bluesy Indigo: I am green. Smiles [16:46] Aerdna Beaumont: i hope you stay in SP [16:47] AJ Brooks: the wedding is on Satruday and one of the people coming with us is working with teh caterers. I'd like to stay in SP, and leave for Avare Friday afternoon [16:47] Robby Kowalski: g'nite all. See you in Orlando (sort of). [16:47] AJ Brooks: but I'm not in control of this one [16:47] Aerdna Beaumont: lol [16:47] AJ Brooks: Bye Robby. I'll let you know as soon as I know more [16:48] Aerdna Beaumont: Does Mattar knows about your trip? [16:48] AJ Brooks: yes [16:48] Aerdna Beaumont: good [16:48] AJ Brooks: he teaches on Thusday and leave for Mineas on Friday until Wednesday :-( [16:48] Aerdna Beaumont: i teach on Wedneday [16:48] Skagen Vita: ok thx and till nex time [16:48] AJ Brooks: I'm leaving to come home on Monday [16:48] Aerdna Beaumont: but not all Wednesday [16:48] AJ Brooks: Bye Skagen. I"llbe back at work b Wednesday. :-( [16:49] Aerdna Beaumont: poor AJ [16:49] AJ Brooks: I do have to come back in February to pick up my card from the Policia Federal [16:49] Aerdna Beaumont: so we can plan some lectures [16:49] AJ Brooks: sure [16:49] Aerdna Beaumont: :) [16:50] AJ Brooks: and we do need to talk more about the video project [16:50] Aerdna Beaumont: yes [16:50] AJ Brooks: i just can't add anything until after November 3rd [16:50] Aerdna Beaumont: i need to write that document [16:50] AJ Brooks: i'm stacked up with due dates [16:50] Aerdna Beaumont: me too [16:50] AJ Brooks shakes head. ok - I'm off to do 101 other things including pack. lol [16:51] Aerdna Beaumont: now the government has one online university [16:51] AJ Brooks: wow - great [16:51] Aerdna Beaumont: they will focus in Teachers education. Do you know if they need voluntiers to non english speakers in 29? [16:53] AJ Brooks: i'm not sure - I don't think we'll get a lot of non-native speakers [16:53] Zotarah Shepherd: I froze and crashed [16:53] Aerdna Beaumont: ok [16:53] AJ Brooks: in that order, Z? [16:54] Aerdna Beaumont: i think mattar will invite his students [16:54] AJ Brooks: wow - then perhaps yes. I'll put you down and let Iggy know [16:54] Zotarah Shepherd: hehe [16:54] Aerdna Beaumont: ok [16:54] AJ Brooks: if you speak to him, let him know I need to know that if possible in advance [16:54] Aerdna Beaumont: i will talk with Mattar to see what we can do for help. Ok, I saw Gia last week in Sloodlers [16:56] AJ Brooks: ok - I have to run - sorry to be so quick - RL is calling. Ttyl [16:56] Aerdna Beaumont: She is going to TG also