SL Education Roundtable - Montclair State Islands
Tuesday, Nov 18th 2008
" The U.S. Presidential Election and It's Impact on U.S. and Global Education."


[14:26] AJ Brooks: HIII!!!!
[14:26] Skagen Vita: hi
[14:27] AJ Brooks: come on down, have a seat, folks - come on down and have a seat around the table -there's plenty of room - there will always be one more chair than person - Hey Z
[14:28] Zotarah Shepherd: Hello AJ
[14:29] Bungy Bingyi: Hello all
[14:29] Skagen Vita: hi
[14:29] AJ Brooks: Hi Bungy
[14:29] Josef Haefnir: Hi Bungy
[14:29] Zotarah Shepherd: Everyone please sit at the table here.
[14:29] AJ Brooks: I'm doing some last minute gathering, so feel free to chat - we'll get started in a few minutes, give folks time to show up Zage, I love your avatar
[14:30] Zotarah Shepherd looks around for windmills.
[14:30] Gef Bookmite: hello
[14:30] Zotarah Shepherd: Hello everyone.
[14:30] AJ Brooks: theya re in your mind
[14:30] Zage Farman: cuul isnt it it is Picassos version of Don Quixote, but adapted by UB Yifu here in SL
[14:30] AJ Brooks: Cervantes would have said
[14:30] Zotarah Shepherd: hehe
[14:30] Zage Farman: let me change quickly
[14:30] AJ Brooks: is that avatar for sale or a freebie?
[14:31] Gef Bookmite: hi aj, hi everyone
[14:31] Professor Noarlunga: Hi Gef
[14:31] Cardinalwildflower Sommer: Hello
[14:31] AJ Brooks: for those who don't realize, you CAN change the daylight if you want. Control-Shift-Y will make it noontime light- A bunch of folks are out by the portal, lets give them a minute
[14:32] AJ Brooks shouts: come on inside - Inventing tomorrow - great name!
[14:33] Gef Bookmite: I love that daylight thing already
[14:33] AJ Brooks: :-) someone has their mic open
[14:33] Jarrad Voom: †here sorry
[14:34] AJ Brooks: s'ok - it happens
[14:34] Giannina Rossini is Offline
[14:34] AJ Brooks: Prospero!!! Hows it going?
[14:34] Prospero Linden: Still fighting with 1.25 - I"m multitasking, so will be flaky
[14:34] AJ Brooks: folks up in the amphitheater, come on down and have a seat around the table
[14:34] Zotarah Shepherd: Hello Prospero
[14:34] AJ Brooks: plenty of room
[14:34] Zotarah Shepherd: Hello Gus!
[14:34] AJ Brooks: and ust because you sit down here doesn't mean you MUST speak (although we'd like if you do)
[14:35] Eta Rosca: thanks
[14:35] Reaghan Denimore: I've not been to one of these before. Will I need speakers?
[14:35] AJ Brooks: no - we don't use voice, text only unless you want to hear the birds chipping or owls hooting :-( lol
[14:35] Zotarah Shepherd: hehe
[14:35] Prospero Linden hoots
[14:35] AJ Brooks: lol you're more likely to EAT an owl, today ok - lets get started
[14:36] Prospero Linden: nom nom nom nom nom
[14:36] AJ Brooks: Hi everyone, and welcome. This is the SL Education Roundtable, made possible by the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University. We meet here each week at 2:30pm SLT for an hour. Sometimes we have a topic, sometimes its an open forum. Our topic today is The U.S. Presidential Election and It's Impact on U.S. and Global Education. Our topic today is The U.S. Presidential Election and It's Impact on U.S. and Global Education. A few announcements, before we get started. This is a pubilc meeting, and we keep transcripts of the chat. Past meeting chat transcripts can be found in The HUGE Bldg, just outside the Amphitheater to the right. Enter through the entrace that runs along the canal and make a right. If you have Mystitool on, or other similiar tool, please put it to sleep or detach it for now. :-) On the side wall, here inside the Amphitheater, there is a notecard giver with information on the D.I.D.I program. Click the sign to grab a notcard and "Learn how you can receive up to $1000 USD seed funding for social entrepreneurial ventures with the Dream It. Do It. Initiative in Second Life!"
[14:37] AJ Brooks: On the other wall is a black circle, which is also a notegiver. The notecard is a Call For Papers for the Journal of Virtual Worlds Research, the theme of the special issue is Pedagogy, EDucation and Innovation in Virtual Worlds. This SL Education Roundtable meeting happens each week, but we are looking to develop a community of educators from around the world with a variety of thoughts, needs, and ideas. Please join the SL EDUCATION ROUNDTABLE group. If you have problems finding it in search, IM me and I will send you an invite sometime after this meeing but before I log for the night. As the group grows, there will be announcements and such that will be exclusive to the group. I'm also open for ideas of what can bring value to the group. For instance, we recently had some opening in the CHSSSouth Free Land Initiative
[14:38] Zotarah Shepherd: Hi Tux
[14:38] AJ Brooks: a special invite was sent to only a few groups including this one. Lastly, there is a program running here on the CHSSSouth island called the CHSSSouth Free Land Initiative. Details can be found in the two notegivers at the base of the outside stairs leading up to this amphitheater. Please wander around the island - tonight after the meeting or come back any time. we're currently up to 20 different educational community members. Aside from this island, and the land initiative, we also have two other educational islands adjoining to the north. There are also numerous learning areas on these adjoining islands, Montclair State CHSS and Montclair State CEHSADP. Wander around and enjoy. We'll start our meeting as we usually do. Please introduce yourself. Tell us who you are, where you are from, and what you do.
[14:39] Gef Bookmite: hey profdan
[14:39] AJ Brooks: No need to wait for others to type - go ahead and enter your information right away, we can all catch up in chat history. I am AJ Kelton, I'm the Director of Emerging Instructional Technology for the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University and the Coordinator of the Second Life Project for the College of Education and Human Services, also at MSU.. We're located in northern New Jersey, just fourteen miles from midtown Manhattan.
[14:39] Profdan Netizen: Hi, Gef.
[14:39] Eyana Runningbear: Eyana Runningbear- Corporate Trainer - interesting in using SL in businesses.
[14:39] Professor Noarlunga: Hi, I'm Scott Diener from the University of Auckland in New Zealand. I am the Associate Director IT
[14:39] Zotarah Shepherd: I am a MA in Education (technology and psychology) student at Sonoma State University in northern California working an a curriculum project: Teaching and Learning Life-Skills in Second Life.
I plan to buy an island of Immersive Interactive Educational buildsabout Life-skills for teachers and parents.
[14:39] Prospero Linden: Rob Knop, currently Server Release Manager for Linden Lab, also a PhD physicst/astronomer associated with MICA (www.mica-vw.org)
[14:40] Gef Bookmite: Hi, I'm Gef - f2f and distance lecturer in management subjects, & I'm an Aussie
[14:40] Bluewave Ogee: Leslie Jarmon, Educators Coop in SL, University of Texas at Austin, USA, educator/researcher
[14:40] Zolt Wind: Jason Zagami Griffith University Australia Education Researcher
[14:40] Josef Haefnir: Hi I'm Joseph Kerkman, Curricular Technology Specialist for the Fine Arts and Social Studies - Grinnell College.
[14:40] Profdan Netizen: I'm Dan Holt, professor at Lansing Community College. I teach FY composition, creative writing, and an occasional intro to film course.
[14:40] Zage Farman: I am Frederic Emam-Zade Executive Director of FUNGLODE from the Dominican Republic (see my first life on profile for more info)
[14:40] AJ Brooks: i see some more typing hands, so we'll let folks continue introeucing themselves
[14:40] JeanClaude Vollmar: I'm JC, Jeff Le Blanc in RL, and and the VP for IT at the University of Northwestern Ohio
[14:40] TT Quandry: Teri Lind, grad students at San Jose State University nursing. looking to d a class on line for students in nursing
[14:41] Bungy Bingyi: David Smith - Oakland School for the Arts, Oakland CA, Director of Technology
[14:41] AJ Brooks: anyone else?
[14:41] Reaghan Denimore: I'm Melinda, MAT Social Studies Grad Student exploring Second life for Educational potential.
[14:41] Prospero Linden: Bungy : I grew up in Berkeley (from age 9), lived in El Cerrito
[14:41] Profdan Netizen: And--I've taught online for eleven years, not yet in SL.
[14:41] Prospero Linden: Now I live in Nashville, TN even though I work for a company that's based in SF
[14:41] Tuxedo Ninetails: Mex Butler, grad sstudent at Melbourne University (Australia) doing Master of IT in Education
[14:41] AJ Brooks: going once?
[14:41] Susana Rexen: Susana Machado, graduate student for Nursing Education from San Jose State University
[14:41] AJ Brooks: going twice.
[14:41] Profdan Netizen: And I grew up in Concord, CA, East Bay.
[14:41] Inventing Tomorrow: I'm Thom Kunselman in RL. My background is in institutional research, currently looking for employment in LA:-)
[14:41] Zotarah Shepherd: What a great group!
[14:41] AJ Brooks: ah - under the wire! :-) WElcome – EVERYONE- yes, this is a great group the table is almost just not large enough- Ok - thanks everyone. Oh, one final note - it is really hard for me to keep up with IMs while I run the meeting, but I promise to get back to anyone who IMs me as soon after the meeting as I can. so - we're picking up where we left off last week although you don't need ot have been here last week to fit right in - we had a small grou due to technical problems with SL - a teleporting issue and then we had a sim issue as a result
[14:43] Zotarah Shepherd: I read the website and saw the video AJ. I have high hopes.
[14:43] AJ Brooks: sorry to those who got locked out
[14:43] Jarrad Voom: I teach online and f2f fo r a Pacific Northwest university and a community college
[14:43] AJ Brooks: so - we're talking about what impact the recent US Presidential election might have on the US Educational enviorment and community as well as teh Globale Education system and community opening thoughts? and then we'll find a topic to focus on for a bit how many of our guests today are from OUTSIDE the U.S. (say ME. :-)
[14:44] Professor Noarlunga: me
[14:44] Skagen Vita: me wow 2 :)
[14:45] Josef Haefnir: The economy comes to mind as a focus of interest as it plays important roles in the funding of projects I'm interested in.
[14:45] AJ Brooks: there must be one or two more
[14:45] Gus Plisskin: I imagine the new administration will be a strong tendency to push technology after they catch their breathe! THo I did note President-elect Obama will have to give up his blackberry for security reasons.
[14:45] Zolt Wind: me
[14:45] Skagen Vita: maybe sleeping already :)
[14:45] Inventing Tomorrow: When the economy is weak people tend to go back to school. I'd be interested in how this will increase the load on institutions.
[14:45] AJ Brooks: we live and breath by the economy - no doubt
[14:45] Prospero Linden: Ugh funding
[14:45] JeanClaude Vollmar laughs, "Yeah, no more deleting stuff."
[14:46] AJ Brooks: but - that is one huge topic
[14:46] Gus Plisskin: and no, I'm not asleep :)
[14:46] Prospero Linden: Inventing Tomorrow : lots of people will go back to school, but there will be less beyond-funding tuition available. I know reading the papers in TN that the state is in budget trouble.
[14:46] AJ Brooks: here in NJ also
[14:46] Prospero Linden: Since schools are largely state and locally funded (except for private colleges), it could get ugly.
[14:46] Reaghan Denimore: New York too
[14:46] Inventing Tomorrow: Here in Cali also.
[14:46] TT Quandry: just listened to Ca. where there will be an inpact on enrollment
[14:46] AJ Brooks: ok - so lets do this since we can't control that part and we can't anticipate the outcome lets say we are all funded next year the same as this year jsut for conversation
[14:47] Profdan Netizen: I found the policies outlined on Obama's site positive, esp. compared to the last eight years, though I do think his proposed policies don't go far enough, esp in supporting higher ed.
[14:47] AJ Brooks: what fell short for you? explain that a bit more prof chat lag? i sent those last two in opposite order lol sorry does the president of the US have the ability to impact the globale education market does the US drive the education industy as a whole?
[14:48] Profdan Netizen: Well, offering 4K for students is good, but I don't think it suggests the importance of helping students significantly in obtaining a degree--compared to the help we were able to get when younger.
[14:48] AJ Brooks: higher ed, of course
[14:48] TT Quandry: that is a loaded question
[14:48] Fred Brecher: I don't find it quite easy to compare political rhetoric with actual administration (if you call it that).
[14:48] AJ Brooks: it was one of complete curiosity I was asking those who are from outside the us, I guess - although I guess I really jsut thought it outloud LOL
[14:49] Jarrad Voom: I don't think the preswident can do anything about education directly
[14:49] AJ Brooks: anywere, Jarrad? or outside the US
[14:49] TT Quandry: well if the economy does not pick up, there will not be the funds
[14:50] Jarrad Voom: Anywhere
[14:50] AJ Brooks: ye s- we've already agreed that fudning will be the same next year as this - jsut for argument
[14:50] TT Quandry: ok
[14:50] Profdan Netizen: The economy is not going to thrive if we don't invest significantly in education.
[14:50] AJ Brooks: how can the president impact education - or do we all agree he really doesn't
[14:50] Bluewave Ogee: well, the sooner Pres. elect Obama can end (some)of the war expenditures in Iraq, we're talking $10 billion/month. that's a lot -- H seems to be taking a "Lincoln/New Deal rooselvelt" kind of direction
[14:51] AJ Brooks: that money is going to pay for the "bailout"
[14:51] Jarrad Voom: Well sure he can have som indirect impacts, but a lot of those soldiers in IRaq are taking online classes now
[14:51] Profdan Netizen: Well, this week it is, AJ. Who knows about next week!
[14:51] AJ Brooks: are online classes part of the answer?
[14:51] Fred Brecher: I think a good education correlates with a good economy, but I don't think the cabinet is going to prioritize education with rejuvenating an economy.
[14:51] Inventing Tomorrow: If he is an effective leader, which seems to be from his campaign, then I think he will have a major impact on the direction of education.
[14:52] Bluewave Ogee: I agree Prof - we do not yet know what he'll do with it...and congress has only given Paulson 1/2 of it
[14:52] Inventing Tomorrow: Whether he can overcome the seemingly ineffective Demleadership in Congress....I don't know.
[14:52] Profdan Netizen: And know one really knows what Paulson has done with that 300 billion.
[14:52] AJ Brooks: if the Dems don't wnt to start losing seats, they better follow with their party leader
[14:52] JeanClaude Vollmar: Well, I can say from Ohio, the governor has grand plans for expanding the U system of Ohio, and will do that without direct federal involvement.
[14:53] TT Quandry: the one line or distant learning through SL is an option that we as educatiors
[14:53] AJ Brooks: so is education a states-rights issue?
[14:53] JeanClaude Vollmar: So I'm not sure how much we care about the Fed, save the laws they pass that cause us to spend even more dollars.
[14:53] Bluewave Ogee: Seems like he's talked about a few things in conjunction with one another: a much stronger ed focus & a new "GI Bill", a nation-wide community service program, and ed. funding (that's higher ed funding) -- all hand-in-hand -- that's a pretty good start! :-)
[14:53] Reaghan Denimore: I think it is a more a state rights issue than federal. Look at SUNY in NY
[14:53] Fred Brecher: I had mentioned at the end of last week that I've seen numbers between 80-85% of K-12 funding comes from states.
[14:54] AJ Brooks: if students forgo a year between HS and college, for service, when they DO get to college, they'll be better students
[14:54] Jarrad Voom: Surely it is an issue for the states more than the president
[14:54] Hrmajsty Bookmite: I agree
[14:54] Reaghan Denimore: AJ if they forgo a year, they might not go back
[14:54] Inventing Tomorrow: Aj, do you have some sources on that?
[14:54] Profdan Netizen: It has been a state issue, it needs to be a national issue.
[14:54] AJ Brooks: so how does obama go about slowing the gap between state schools and private schools
[14:54] Jarrad Voom: In fact after the last "educatin president" I thinkwe are better off without the feds
[14:55] Bluewave Ogee: And yet, he can use the Presidency as a "bully pulpit" to raise the profile of states that are doing great new and effective programs. :-)
[14:55] Inventing Tomorrow: Reaghan, then maybe that saves them from stopping out.
[14:55] Zotarah Shepherd: Maybe that "between year" is where distance education can make an impact.
[14:55] AJ Brooks: no - Iventing - I was just speculating, although it might be logic to some extent
[14:55] JeanClaude Vollmar: I skipped out a year and it didn't take long to figure out that I needed a degree. So I did go back. But I'm might be an exception. I grew a lot in that year.
[14:55] Reaghan Denimore: Maybe, but those students have to be brought in fast to be effective.
[14:56] Josef Haefnir: Perhaps the education comes in the form or real life experience that can't be taught in the classroom
[14:56] AJ Brooks: i skipped 13 years but eventually got my BA and MA
[14:56] Bluewave Ogee: This "New Deal/Great Society" framework might be very effective -- e.g., work AND learn, serve AND learn, build AND learn
[14:56] Profdan Netizen: I did a year and a half in CC, then worked, found out what I didn't want to do.
[14:56] Reaghan Denimore: I went back to college to get my MA after 10 years. And that was a lot of work and hard
[14:56] AJ Brooks: I like that [insert] and Learn
[14:56] Profdan Netizen: When I went back, I was much more motivated.
[14:57] Zage Farman: i dropped out as a bd student and 5 years got back in and was top of my class
[14:57] Bluewave Ogee: Me, too (I'm a "went back-er")
[14:57] Reaghan Denimore: The older you get, the more motivated you are in school, I agree.
[14:57] Inventing Tomorrow: Learning is definitely the key. Is classroom instruction outdated?
[14:57] AJ Brooks: cum laude for me
[14:57] Josef Haefnir: I returned to get my MA after a long stretch of work myself.
[14:57] Zage Farman: i realized i really needed it and had to excel
[14:57] Bluewave Ogee: But I did 7-1/2 years with the U.S. Peace Corps in between that time
[14:57] Inventing Tomorrow: Nice Bluewave.!
[14:57] Reaghan Denimore: Inveting Tomorrow, I think classroom instruction is outdated if you don't understand you student population.
[14:58] AJ Brooks: so - back tot he federal goverment
[14:58] Hrmajsty Bookmite: If distance learning is going to fill the gap, where will the money for computers for poor students to take the online classes going to come from?
[14:58] AJ Brooks: folks agree that a service learning comonent is important
[14:58] Inventing Tomorrow: Or the broadband connections.
[14:58] Susana Rexen: I can only speak to nursing education, and yes, it is very outdated
[14:58] AJ Brooks: i vote that we make all broadband free
[14:58] Eleonora Porta: broadband mobile
[14:58] Fred Brecher: I have known many who stopped at one point or another for a multitude of reasons and complained they could not see themselves having the drive to get back into it.
[14:58] Profdan Netizen: Obama has supported a plan to expand broadband access nation wide.
[14:59] AJ Brooks: yes he has especially rural communites
[14:59] Josef Haefnir: I met a number of adult students, and there seem to be more everyday.
[14:59] AJ Brooks: where there is only dialup, and satellite, which is REALLY expensive
[14:59] Jarrad Voom: I took a break and have not been able to get back to school - tht that was 35 year ago
[14:59] AJ Brooks: so we need to amke sure peopel ahve a computer basic enough to run the web thats it
[15:00] JeanClaude Vollmar: Ohio is already so that though. So I'm not sure how the Fed would help except to send us more money to do more of it faster.
[15:00] Susana Rexen: I agree
[15:00] AJ Brooks: they can use google docs excel
[15:00] Jarrad Voom: Oh yes the web is the keay
[15:00] AJ Brooks: powerpoint
[15:00] Reaghan Denimore: I think there is more to it than just throwing a computer at people who need access.
[15:00] AJ Brooks: all from google or free in openoffice well - I didn't say "just thrown them a computer" I said that is one facet of our needs
[15:00] Fred Brecher: Reaghan, agreed.
[15:01] AJ Brooks: the other is the baility to get the service at a reasonable speed
[15:01] Prospero Linden: I wonder if there will be any rollbacks of NCLB
[15:01] Jarrad Voom: And there is always more than anything
[15:01] AJ Brooks: and the third is a curriculum suite for the learning style
[15:01] Prospero Linden: NCLB sounds like a disaster; all this focus on testing and such
[15:01] Inventing Tomorrow: What about things we can do to help reduce the cost of education? Like open source textbooks that are free?
[15:01] Prospero Linden: The problem is, it's hard to roll it back without looking like you're rolling back "accountability"
[15:01] AJ Brooks: NCLB sounds liek a disater because it IS!
[15:01] Profdan Netizen: AJ, I would hope the standard for computers in students' hands would be robust enough for 3d worlds like SL.
[15:01] AJ Brooks: thats beyond basic - tho -
[15:01] Zotarah Shepherd: Some libraries have DSL computers, though there is a charge and SSU has free computer access.
[15:01] AJ Brooks: Prof virtual worlds need to come DOWN to the technology - not the other way
[15:02] Jarrad Voom: Yes NCLB is a disaster, because the feds are in education
[15:02] AJ Brooks: they need to figure out how to make it work - or they'll never find mass
[15:02] Jarrad Voom: It is still a state issue
[15:02] AJ Brooks: Jarrad - thats not entirely accurate
[15:02] Jarrad Voom: of course not entirely
[15:02] AJ Brooks: the fed required things and didn't provide the funding
[15:02] Jarrad Voom: that is not a disapter
[15:02] AJ Brooks: unfunded mandates do not work
[15:02] Profdan Netizen: Not to mention one dimesional assessment.
[15:02] AJ Brooks: lol – right well - that would crash and burn no matter what the funding source
[15:03] Inventing Tomorrow: Well not only that, but if you didn't do it then isn't all your federal funding cut?
[15:03] Reaghan Denimore: I think one dimensional assessment is the key point.
[15:03] Jarrad Voom: one dimensional assessment is better than none at all
[15:03] AJ Brooks: is it?
[15:03] Profdan Netizen: Not really.
[15:03] Jarrad Voom: so are unfunded mandates
[15:03] Velas Lunasea is Online
[15:03] AJ Brooks: disagree on both points
[15:04] Reaghan Denimore: How can you assess a variety of learners with different learning styles with a one dimensional assessment
[15:04] Prospero Linden: AJ : re: Virtual Worlds coming down to the technology- Alas
[15:04] AJ Brooks: sometimes inaction IS teh best action - due diligence, and all that
[15:04] Prospero Linden: Right now, things are driven largely by the consumer market
[15:04] Reaghan Denimore: We are constatnly being taught to teach in a diversified way.
[15:04] Prospero Linden: Which means that 3-year-old computers are considered the bare minimum worth even thinking about And, that 3-year-old keeps advancing
[15:04] AJ Brooks: well - consumers want and SL that looks like WoW
[15:04] Reaghan Denimore: Why wouldn't we assess in a diversified way?
[15:04] Prospero Linden: That makes it tough for schools, which often have older hardware
[15:04] Zotarah Shepherd: We need students who know how to think critically not just take multiple choice tests.
[15:04] Prospero Linden: But, also - when you buy new hardware, you have to buy the right thing if you really want to do 3d
[15:05] TT Quandry: so true
[15:05] Prospero Linden: shared-memory graphics is not good. Intel graphics chips in laptops is not good
[15:05] Profdan Netizen: And teachers free to teach well beyond how to take multiple choice tests.
[15:05] AJ Brooks: The average public has no idea what you are talking about and don't care they want the web and email
[15:05] Zotarah Shepherd: So we need to create education in SL that encourages critical and creating thinking.
[15:06] Jarrad Voom: Zotarah I agree completely
[15:06] AJ Brooks: Sorry - I was refering to what Prosp said - not Profdan
[15:06] Profdan Netizen: AJ, true, though I expect that my children's generation, teens-twentysomethings, desire 3d worlds, since they've lived in them,
[15:06] Reaghan Denimore: I think in any learning environment our students need to be encouraged to think ctrically and creatively.
[15:06] AJ Brooks: ok - so 0- back to the basics we need - hardware, connectivity, and appropriate curriculum
[15:07] Susana Rexen: I would tend to agree Prodfan
[15:07] AJ Brooks: (agreed prof)
[15:07] Profdan Netizen: from console to online games.
[15:07] Inventing Tomorrow: Probably need connectivity first. Doesn't matter how good your hardware is if you don't have the pipes to fit it through.
[15:07] AJ Brooks: can anyone sy WebKinz
[15:07] Profdan Netizen: And connectivity is a infrastructure project, one most suited to fed govt.
[15:07] AJ Brooks: ok - conncetivity, hardware, curriculum excellent, Prof
[15:08] Inventing Tomorrow: And why not build connectivity into the electrical grid proposal? Along with high speed trains:-)
[15:08] Eleonora Porta: sw opensource...
[15:08] Jarrad Voom: Okey we do need to feds to improve the internet
[15:08] Inventing Tomorrow: Eleonora, textbooks opensource!
[15:08] JeanClaude Vollmar: I don't have the Ohio stats in hand. but I was surprised to hear that like 30 some % don't even know what they'd use the internet for. So internet improvements are lost on then.
[15:08] JeanClaude Vollmar: *them.
[15:08] AJ Brooks: some countries require software be free to be used in education and goverment
[15:08] Jarrad Voom: brb
[15:09] Eleonora Porta: or opensim too
[15:09] AJ Brooks: what other fedearl issue do we see? funding for it and research?
[15:09] Profdan Netizen: Makes sense, AJ, though publishers would scream.
[15:09] AJ Brooks: well - many big countries do it that way alredy
[15:09] JeanClaude Vollmar: So educating the public at hand is important otherwise there is less pressure put on states and the Fed to build out.
[15:10] AJ Brooks: well - I'm sure there are statistics that show an educated population uses less federal resrouces like fedearl prisons
[15:10] Prospero Linden: To hell with the publishers
[15:10] AJ Brooks: unemployment
[15:10] Prospero Linden: PUblishers have too much control over schools and such right now
[15:10] AJ Brooks: TO HELL WITH THE PUBLISHERS!!!!!!
[15:10] Profdan Netizen: True.
[15:11] AJ Brooks: everyone grab your pitchfork and follow Prospero! Lol I agree
[15:11] Inventing Tomorrow: Yes they do. I remember reading Feinman's experience on the school board.
[15:11] AJ Brooks: prosumerism everyone know what prosumerism is?
[15:11] Hrmajsty Bookmite: no
[15:11] Reaghan Denimore: nope
[15:11] AJ Brooks: where you are the PROducer and consumer like YouTube - producer and consumer
[15:11] Bluewave Ogee: prosumer education
[15:12] AJ Brooks: that is what kids like
[15:12] Reaghan Denimore: But even You TUbe is protected by copyright issues.
[15:12] JeanClaude Vollmar: Well, Ohio is already starting to build a repository of open source texts
[15:12] AJ Brooks: to be not just the consumer of the information but also the producer
[15:12] JeanClaude Vollmar: So it won't be long...
[15:12] Inventing Tomorrow: We could have greater independence from the mainstream economy by funding small business vs. large businesses.
[15:12] AJ Brooks: creativecommons will replace copyright some day :-) we ARE the media
[15:12] JeanClaude Vollmar: +
[15:12] Inventing Tomorrow: That's good to know JeanClaude, thanks.
[15:13] Hrmajsty Bookmite: So what we need is for someone from the new administration to attend these meetings.
[15:13] Eleonora Porta: hope so
[15:13] AJ Brooks: or to send them the notecard
[15:13] Inventing Tomorrow: Or someone from these meetings to attend the administration meetings. Or at least lobby them.
[15:13] Zotarah Shepherd: My MA class this semester, most of the readings were posted on WebCT. It would be nice if texts could all be open source and posted online somewhere.
[15:13] Eleonora Porta: lol
[15:14] AJ Brooks: the new administartion will be VERY plugged in
[15:14] Zotarah Shepherd: Would save a LOT of forests too.
[15:14] Bungy Bingyi: Except there is talk of Obama having to give up his blackberry
[15:14] Hrmajsty Bookmite: ?
[15:14] Susana Rexen: I've heard that the administration was looking into using a CT. Any trueth to that?
[15:14] AJ Brooks: tats sily - the wolrd can't know the president has a geolocatable device
[15:14] Susana Rexen: CTO = Chieve technology Officer
[15:14] AJ Brooks: CT? oh - yes he is
[15:15] Zolt Wind: Our Prime Minister (Aust) twittered his recent visit to the USA for the G20
[15:15] Bluewave Ogee: The transition team ia already - still - plugged in.
[15:15] AJ Brooks: how cool!
[15:15] Inventing Tomorrow: That's interesting, Zolt.
[15:15] AJ Brooks: so raising the bar on technology might be something they can do
[15:15] Bungy Bingyi: I love how connected the transition team has been.
[15:15] Profdan Netizen: That seems safe, as long as the he doesn't give GPS coordinates, huh?
[15:16] Bungy Bingyi: It was apparently not only for GPS concerns but e-discovery rules about public access to those emails on the blackberry
[15:16] AJ Brooks: don't the phones give out gps all the tim e anyway oh
[15:16] Bluewave Ogee: got to http://www.change.gov -- Send in your ideas...Now! And to: http://www.change.gov/page/s/yourvision Why wait? :-
[15:16] AJ Brooks: got it well - can he get another one?
[15:16] Zotarah Shepherd: I would like to see a townhall meeting of Obama in SL. Huge security advantages to that.
[15:16] Profdan Netizen: Cool idea!
[15:17] AJ Brooks: there are aa number of Obama gropus
[15:17] Bluewave Ogee: lots
[15:17] Zotarah Shepherd: Invite him here.
[15:17] AJ Brooks: to this meeting? ok
[15:17] Profdan Netizen: Anyone in his transition team in SL?
[15:17] Bluewave Ogee: sure
[15:17] AJ Brooks: i'
[15:17] Hrmajsty Bookmite: or at least to someone with his ear
[15:17] AJ Brooks: i'm sure
[15:17] Bluewave Ogee: we just do not know it LOL
[15:17] Prospero Linden: The two new FCC tranisiton team people are in SL
[15:17] Zotarah Shepherd: Maybe to a Education meeting at a 4 sim location.
[15:17] AJ Brooks: really?
[15:17] Prospero Linden: If Hamlet AU's blog can be believed
[15:17] Susana Rexen: what I am seeing is the expectation of connectivity that the election have created socially will transfer more into education
[15:17] Prospero Linden: Look at New World Notes- There was an article about it
[15:18] Skagen Vita: there was Obama's place in Bay City
[15:18] Susana Rexen: if the president can do it, why can't my teachers?
[15:18] AJ Brooks: the president WANTS to do it
[15:18] Zotarah Shepherd: Credibility
[15:18] Bluewave Ogee: Prez is way ahead of the (us) teachers ... with his team :-)
[15:18] Skagen Vita: I wonder if it was private idea or real representation
[15:18] Bluewave Ogee: David Plouffe
[15:18] AJ Brooks: lol he seems like a ham, no?
[15:18] Bluewave Ogee: ?
[15:18] Zotarah Shepherd: Give Obama and his team a tour of education places in SL
[15:18] Susana Rexen: and why should we as educatures not WANT to do it also
[15:19] AJ Brooks: its not that some shouldn't - its that they don't want to
[15:19] Prospero Linden: Of course, nobody will ever get to talk to Obama the indivudual again
[15:19] AJ Brooks: thats what I've found it makes them uncomfortable
[15:19] Bluewave Ogee: I would not be so sure...:-)
[15:19] AJ Brooks: some peopel resist being out of their confort zone
[15:19] Prospero Linden: Now that he's president, the best we could hope for is to talk to a 3-levels down staffer who might feed back a message that will reach the top in a state, if we're lucky, just a bit longer than "Mostly Harmless"
[15:19] Bluewave Ogee: Are we talking to AK the individual...now? LOL- *AJ
[15:19] Zotarah Shepherd: Then machinima it and publisize it to teachers and administrators.
[15:19] Hrmajsty Bookmite: one here who would know? on here
[15:20] Inventing Tomorrow: Didn't one of those FCC people say that broadband should be a utility like water and electricity?
[15:20] Zolt Wind: Maybe new technologies will permit getting past the 3 layers of staff, at least for a while
[15:20] Prospero Linden agrees that water should be a utility like that, in that it should be as reliable. But, he's a little nervous about the idea of a pure monopoly on broadband... not that most of us effectively don't have that already, but still. Zolt : scale prevents that.
[15:20] Bluewave Ogee: scale
[15:21] Prospero Linden: If there are ways past the 3 levels of staff, then it will just be like spam ; so overwhelming, no message at all gets through
[15:21] Bungy Bingyi: yeah water does not have advertisements and popups
[15:21] Inventing Tomorrow: As for talking to Obama, why expect him to do everything? What can we do? We really need to take responsibility for this too.
[15:21] Prospero Linden: What we REALLY need from the government is a clue, sanity, and the ability to stand up to lobbyists who will try to pass laws that will get in the way.
[15:21] Profdan Netizen: How so, Inventing?
[15:21] AJ Brooks: and broadbant is intersting in that is is different than gas or water or electricity. Those services get used up as they are consumerd - the more people who tap into it the more it cost to provide. Broadband is not really like that. We could all share on network access point and it won't "cost" more (the hardware will as consumption goes up, but the actualy product does not)
[15:22] Profdan Netizen: Broadband is more like roads.
[15:22] Prospero Linden: Broadband is like a series of tubes
[15:22] AJ Brooks: yup to both
[15:22] Inventing Tomorrow: We have the ability to stand up to lobbyists like they do in Arizona state government. Publicly funded elections.
[15:23] Prospero Linden: Broadband is like a sewar : 95% of what you get out of it is crap
[15:23] Inventing Tomorrow: If we take money out of the equation, every other battle will be at lest 50% easier. But we can't even get Democrats to support that. We are fighting the culture of incumbancy.
[15:23] Prospero Linden: The thing is OK- So Those who are opposed to campaign finance reform say it's a free speech issue, Which makes me scratch my head and think, "money is speech?"So said the Supreme Court.
[15:24] AJ Brooks: how can it be free speech when you are paying for it
[15:24] Prospero Linden: But, on the radio a while back, I heard that you going and collecting $10 from ten of your friends and making a $100 contribution to a candidate is *illegal* Which makes me say WTF? So. I can kind of see those who are worried about limits on campaign finance, because it can place strict limits on normal people doing ordinary things. Which is why it's option whether you take public campaign financing or not.
[15:25] Gravity Folsom: ...and you're trying to build roads into a city that is built out of distractions and not many roadmaps to the useful stuff. Not to mention there is no way to rope off the areas that you are not permitted to go on public access....
[15:25] Prospero Linden: When the laws outlaw obvious things that cause no harm, the laws are bad.
[15:25] AJ Brooks: well - america has had its share of bad lawas over the 200+ years but at least we eventually figure them out and make them better so now is that time to do THAT
[15:26] Gravity Folsom: I think that "broadband for all" will end up like the One to One computing programs that are being discontinued around the country.
[15:26] AJ Brooks: figure out what is wrong and make it better
[15:26] Inventing Tomorrow: Combinging donations is not illegal. If you collect the money and make the donation in your namealone then it is.
[15:26] Profdan Netizen: I'm not familiar with the One to One computing programs, Gravity.
[15:26] AJ Brooks: and I really believe we have the chance now to do that
[15:26] Prospero Linden: A great example of laws outlawing obvious things is in the inset in this boingboing post: http://www.boingboing.net/2008/11/17/samuelson-and-lessig.html
[15:26] Inventing Tomorrow: But if you collect the money and make the donation in the names of the people who gave it, then that's not illegal.
[15:27] Prospero Linden: Inventing : well, yeah, but even that is one of those obvious things You send in money
[15:27] Gravity Folsom: when you give it away for use in education, it will be used 99% to surf for porn or myspace with the "Internet ate my homework" excuses.
[15:27] Prospero Linden: Do you worry so much about in whose name it is?
[15:27] AJ Brooks: 99% - do you ahve stats on that?
[15:27] Prospero Linden: 37% of all statistics are made up.
[15:28] AJ Brooks: lol
[15:28] Profdan Netizen: Nah, it's 97.3%
[15:28] Inventing Tomorrow: which is why you should ignore anything unless it has a footnote with sources.
[15:28] Prospero Linden: Inventing : do you work for Wikipedia?
[15:28] AJ Brooks: lol
[15:28] Bluewave Ogee: Smiles
[15:29] Inventing Tomorrow: No, but I work with data in higher education, and I'm a copious footnoters so no one can dispute my figures.
[15:29] Inventing Tomorrow: Wikipedia is pretty accurate though.
[15:29] AJ Brooks: well - folks - as hard as it is to believe, we've been at this for about an hour
[15:29] Gravity Folsom: lol, no, but I do have parents who buy their kids laptops for school and my moodle site is not anywhere in their history.
[15:29] AJ Brooks: I know some of you have to go, so I just wanted to thank everyone
[15:29] Prospero Linden just has a beef witih Wikipedia because they'd rather have bad published data than something from the original source
[15:29] AJ Brooks: remind you we'll be here next week at this same time and to remind you to join our group you are welcome to stay if you have the time this goes on for a while sometimes
[15:30] Inventing Tomorrow: http://www.iwr.co.uk/information-world-review/news/2148074/nature-endorses-wikipedia
[15:30] Zotarah Shepherd thinks these meetings are way too short.
[15:30] Profdan Netizen: I've been surprised to see how ubiquitous Wikipedia is here in SL, esp in education/library sites.
[15:30] Gravity Folsom: ...but they have every game they can pirate through torrents installed and proxy servers to get to myspace set up.
[15:30] Prospero Linden: Wikipedia is ubiquitous everywhere.
[15:30] AJ Brooks: lol
[15:30] Prospero Linden: It really is the primary reference resource for anybody who's vaguely online
[15:30] AJ Brooks: yup
[15:30] Inventing Tomorrow: I'm always surprised how many faculty immediately dismiss wikipedia.
[15:30] AJ Brooks: and if its more accuerate than brittanica
[15:31] Prospero Linden: Yeah
[15:31] Profdan Netizen: Yeah, but I'm not interested in students using Brittanica either!
[15:31] AJ Brooks: lol
[15:31] Prospero Linden: People dismiss wikipedia out of superstition
[15:31] Gravity Folsom: It is a good starting point, you have to follow up on the links provided and assess the validity of wiki
[15:31] Prospero Linden: Profdan : well, sure. Treat wikipedia like an encyclopedia right yes But
[15:31] Profdan Netizen: Exactly, Prospero.
[15:31] Prospero Linden: Many who worship Brittanica will dismiss wikipedia
[15:32] Profdan Netizen: True.
[15:32] AJ Brooks: silly kids
[15:32] Zotarah Shepherd: I use Wikipedia for research resourses then go to the original docs to read and cite.
[15:32] AJ Brooks: I use Wikipedia for information not for academic research
[15:32] Inventing Tomorrow: Like prosumerism
[15:32] AJ Brooks: its a gret tool for when you want to know something
[15:32] Prospero Linden is going to get an implant computer and use Wikipedia to cheat on Jeapordy
[15:32] AJ Brooks: like the specifics on the job of President
[15:32] Gravity Folsom: lol
[15:33] Inventing Tomorrow: Prospero, can you gateway it to my mystitool implant?
[15:33] AJ Brooks will applaude for Propsero anyway
[15:33] Prospero Linden: http://palin.wikipedia.com/Vice_President#duties reads "I dunno!"
[15:33] AJ Brooks: you betcha
[15:33] Bungy Bingyi: Thank you all - may see you next week.
[15:33] Profdan Netizen: Agreed--Wikipedia is a great resource for quick and dirty information. But not for effective support in an academic setting.
[15:33] Inventing Tomorrow: Bye Bungy.
[15:33] AJ Brooks: bye bungy
[15:33] Gravity Folsom: What is "to run the country?"
[15:33] Profdan Netizen: I know, "blinding flash of the obvious."
[15:33] AJ Brooks: prodan - could not agree more
[15:34] Inventing Tomorrow: Course wikipedia would be great for teaching critical thinking.
[15:34] Hrmajsty Bookmite: I usually allow my students to use Wikipedia as a starting point to give them an idea of how to search more reliable sources.
[15:34] AJ Brooks nods
[15:35] Gravity Folsom: I'll take Secretary of State for $400 Alex.
[15:35] Profdan Netizen: But that's my point--displays in libraries and educational sites here in SL, using Wikipedia authoritavely. Just surprises me.
[15:35] Skagen Vita: yes but soem people dont have critical thinking and I can listen intresting news from my students
[15:35] JeanClaude Vollmar: I gotta get going too. See you all next week.
[15:35] Skagen Vita: Wikipedia is forbidden at my classess
[15:35] AJ Brooks: later JC - nice to see you again
[15:35] Susana Rexen: me to
[15:35] Inventing Tomorrow: Bye JeanClaude.
[15:35] Susana Rexen: see you all next week
[15:35] Skagen Vita: bye
[15:35] Prospero Linden: Skagen : do you allow other encyclopedias?
[15:36] Skagen Vita: only publications which were checked
[15:36] Zotarah Shepherd: Wikipedia info is only as good as the individual resourses cited.
[15:36] Profdan Netizen: I don't, Prospero.
[15:36] Prospero Linden: What does "checked" mean, though? At some level, wikipedia is checked by a lot of people, constantly
[15:36] AJ Brooks: any academic object is onl,y as good as the resources cited - its why we spend so much time talking about that in higher ed
[15:36] Prospero Linden: And, studies have shown that its accuracy is comparable to Brittanica's
[15:36] Skagen Vita: wikipedia is great for last news to check but my students used to copy it all
[15:37] Prospero Linden: WEll, that's just plagiarism :)
[15:37] Gravity Folsom: ...not as a Primary source.
[15:37] AJ Brooks: better than britannica
[15:37] Skagen Vita: copy and paste
[15:37] Prospero Linden: And, just using any encyclopedia as your only source is bad for academic research - Less so for random conversations :)
[15:37] AJ Brooks: what is teh metric system look it up on Wikipedia nice, short, sweet answer OMG!!!
[15:38] Prospero Linden: The metric system is a TOOL OF THE COMMUNISTS trying to UNDERMINE THE CAN-DO SPIRIT OF THE USA
[15:38] Chimera Cosmos is Online
[15:38] AJ Brooks: Wikipedia is a garteway drug! *gateway
[15:38] Profdan Netizen: Using general encyclopedias as support just makes students' work look like a junior high school report.
[15:38] AJ Brooks: its the start of snowcrash
[15:38] Skagen Vita: in Poland a nice story is know about Wikipedia - two young people traveled to street - Batuta by taxi and they make an idea they will create Batuta who was a solder and describe his profile in wikipedia -
[15:38] AJ Brooks: we will all soon be idiots wandering aournd spouting wikipedia
[15:38] Skagen Vita: and people took this information
[15:39] Prospero Linden: Skagen : sure... but that's anecdotal evidence.
[15:39] Skagen Vita: doesnt amtter such person never existed yep
[15:39] Prospero Linden: There are errors in published-on-paper-with-a-monolithic-editor sources too
[15:39] Skagen Vita: yes i know - but they are less
[15:39] Inventing Tomorrow: There are errors in Britannica.
[15:39] AJ Brooks: nobody has said that wikipedia should be considered an academic resrouce, so what the deal?
[15:39] Skagen Vita: wikipedia is full of errors- especially in historical parts
[15:39] Profdan Netizen: Or newscasters quoting McCain insiders who don't exist...
[15:39] Prospero Linden: Skagen : studies show they are not less
[15:39] Skagen Vita: yes I know
[15:40] Gravity Folsom: He exists now. ....as a fictitious character in Wikipedia story... must go update...
[15:40] AJ Brooks: yes - update - that he was talked about at this meeting
[15:40] Skagen Vita: well at least in resouces I use is less errors than in Wikipedia :)
[15:40] Eleonora Porta: ty Aj for discussion and see you all next week!
[15:40] Inventing Tomorrow: And we probably shouldn't even mention faked academic research.
[15:40] AJ Brooks: thanks for coming, Eleonora
[15:41] Hrmajsty Bookmite: personally I think Wikipedia is at least as accurate as the news media.
[15:41] Prospero Linden: I guess my point is that outlawing Wikipedia altogether is too extreme. Sure, it shouldn't be a primary source-- but outlawing it altogether doesn't really make sense unless you're superstitious about things that don't have a hierarchical editorial structure
[15:41] AJ Brooks: its prosumerism - its where things are moving
[15:41] Profdan Netizen: I agree, Prospero, an excellent place to get background information, initial exploration of an issue.
[15:41] Inventing Tomorrow: Open source hardware!
[15:41] AJ Brooks: if yu don't like that, you're destined to be a dinosaur the same way those who only lecture today are destined to be also students have international choices we do not hold them captive anymore if they don't like what we are offereing, they WILL go elsewhere because they CAN go elsehwere
[15:42] Gravity Folsom: shhhh, they might hear. :-)
[15:42] AJ Brooks: we must adapt - it is what is going to amek this revolution in education different thant the last ones
[15:43] Inventing Tomorrow: We need to lead. Isn't that why you all are here inSL?
[15:43] MagazineLiteracy Kidd: Life happens... evolve... evolution happens... live
[15:43] Gravity Folsom: ask them what they want?
[15:43] AJ Brooks: they want to be prosumers and they are saying it enmasse ;et us contribute we have something to say our learning is an activer verb, not a passive one
[15:44] Prospero Linden doesn't like the term "consumer", and as such that dislike goes transitive to "prosumer" :)
[15:44] AJ Brooks: that is what they are saying
[15:44] Prospero Linden: I like the term "individual"
[15:44] Gravity Folsom: ...but not all of them. some want to randomly roam the tubes.
[15:44] Inventing Tomorrow: SL is like mass prosumerism. If you don't want to buy something, you can just make it yourself.
[15:44] Prospero Linden: I was always grouchy to see individuals reduced to being something in an economic model Because people seemed to take the economic models to be "how things are" That is : your purpose in this society is to consume.
[15:44] AJ Brooks: consumer does not inherintly implace commerce
[15:44] Prospero Linden: Not to think Not to be
[15:45] AJ Brooks: it is defined as teh consumption of something and I'd rather have students consuming knowledge than not
[15:45] Inventing Tomorrow: Prospero, just like a corporations purpose in a society is to make a profit for shareholders, no matter what else?
[15:45] Prospero Linden: Inventing : I hate that And yet I hear people make the argument that that is what a business is *for* It's so depressing
[15:46] Profdan Netizen: Prosuming knowledge...
[15:46] AJ Brooks: that is what we do in the education industry
[15:46] Inventing Tomorrow: Yes...it is disappointing.
[15:46] AJ Brooks: we prosume knowledge - in the ranks of the researchers so its time to let the kiddies in on the game they just want to do what we do in our academic circles ourselves we engage - they want to engage they don't want to be lectured to - they want to engage in the learning active verb well - thats just my 5.32 linden
[15:47] Zotarah Shepherd: Constructivist education
[15:48] AJ Brooks: (note 5.32 linden = 2 cents) YES, Z!!!!!!! absolutely – constructivism z - you said the meetings were short - but do we EVER really leav at 3:30pm? :-) it just gives folks a chance to move on if they need to I usually plan to hang out until 4pm if I can
[15:49] Zotarah Shepherd: hehe not so far
[15:49] AJ Brooks: i love this group the peopel who show up are just wonderful
[15:50] Zotarah Shepherd: Yes I agree, AJ.
[15:50] AJ Brooks: we hit 40 again today unless I couned wrong oh - thank god - those damn birds drive me crazy i just spatialized the sound lol
[15:51] Zotarah Shepherd: Yay!
[15:52] AJ Brooks: its like disney world everywhere you go, speakers hidden in rocks and trees
[15:52] MagazineLiteracy Kidd: enjoyed listening in... look forward to future discussions... thanks
[15:52] Zotarah Shepherd: hehe
[15:52] Profdan Netizen: "It's a small world after all!!!!!!"
[15:52] AJ Brooks: later magazine
[15:52] Profdan Netizen: It took me weeks to get rid of that song!!!!!!
[15:52] AJ Brooks: thanks may it be stuck in your head now for as long as it will be stuck in mine
[15:53] Zotarah Shepherd: Thanks for this AJ I make a point to be here.
[15:53] AJ Brooks: thanks for coming, Z - its always good to see you
[15:53] Profdan Netizen: You're welcome, glad to serve, AJ!
[15:53] Zotarah Shepherd: Thanks AJ. See you next week.
[15:53] AJ Brooks: you are an evil evil man, Profdan Prospero, you're awefuly quite over there - who are you eating?
[15:54] Skagen Vita: see you all next week bye
[15:54] AJ Brooks: bye skagen, see you next week
[15:54] Profdan Netizen: Speaking of eating, time to scrounge up some dinner. Talk to you all next week.
[15:55] AJ Brooks: i ate chinese during the meeting see you next week Profdan
[15:56] Inventing Tomorrow: I think I need to go buy some hair. my head's cold.
[15:56] AJ Brooks: good luck - I like Naughty's
[15:57] Inventing Tomorrow: Thanks.
[15:57] Gravity Folsom: you could be a trend setter and put one of the tiny avis on your head.
[15:57] Inventing Tomorrow: I've been meaning to go hunting for a new fur coat.
[15:57] Gravity Folsom: :-)
[15:58] Inventing Tomorrow: But I figured it would be a violation of community standards to wear a tiny or furry.
[15:58] Inventing Tomorrow: At least as a coat.
[15:58] AJ Brooks: Inventing - do mess with Propsero
[15:58] AJ Brooks whispers "he's a Linden you know"
[15:58] Gravity Folsom: PETT
[15:58] AJ Brooks: lol
[15:58] Inventing Tomorrow: Is he? How can you tell?
[15:59] AJ Brooks: trust me :-)
[15:59] Gravity Folsom: He's laggy and resets in every other sim. That's the big clue.
[16:00] AJ Brooks: lol
[16:00] Gravity Folsom: sorry, that was mean.
[16:00] Inventing Tomorrow: Is he laggy? What's his rendering cost?
[16:00] Gravity Folsom: I'm j/k I don't know really, just being a bit loopy.
[16:01] AJ Brooks: ok guys and girls i hav two things to do and then need to log for a while
[16:01] Gravity Folsom: k
[16:01] Inventing Tomorrow: Nice meeting you.
[16:01] AJ Brooks: feel free to hang out and chat my pleasure - hope you'll come back
[16:02] Gravity Folsom: ...so is there a consensus on the the discussion?
[16:02] AJ Brooks: ? - yes- there is a consensus - we had a discussion. :-)
[16:02] Gravity Folsom: on the topics discussed at these meetings. ...consensus, bad word.
[16:03] AJ Brooks: you mean for the topic of the day?
[16:03] Gravity Folsom: uhm.... show notes I guess is the closest thing I can come up with.
[16:03] Prospero Linden: Heh
[16:03] Gravity Folsom: yeah.
[16:03] Prospero Linden: sorry, have been in other windows
[16:03] AJ Brooks: ah - a transcript you mean? yes - there eventually will be a transcript I'm WAY behind on those, I'm afraid
[16:04] Gravity Folsom: I've got a swiss cheese log to scan through and missed some of the points. okay.
[16:04] AJ Brooks: and when they are ready - they got posted in the building across from this, on the canal
[16:04] Gravity Folsom: ah, okay.
[16:05] AJ Brooks: Propsero - you missed all the fun - we sheeped you
[16:05] Gravity Folsom: tnx ya. Thanks AJ.
[16:05] Prospero Linden: d'oh!
[16:05] AJ Brooks: really - we didn't
[16:06] Prospero Linden does not even know what sheep the verb is
[16:06] AJ Brooks: :-) lol thanks for coming, dude - I know you're busy - good to see you
[16:07] Prospero Linden: Thanks!
[16:07] Inventing Tomorrow: Bye all.
[16:07] Gravity Folsom: I could take that and run with it... .but... we were ribbing you in your absence.
[16:07] Prospero Linden: Yeah, frantically hoping to really start deploying 1.25 tonight
[16:07] Gravity Folsom: :-)
[16:07] AJ Brooks: i love when you're at the meetings, unique dimension
[16:07] Prospero Linden fears he may know what "sheep" the verb is, and hopes that nobody did that on a PG sim
[16:07] AJ Brooks: ah - good lukc with that lol
[16:07] Gravity Folsom: LOL
[16:07] AJ Brooks: ROFL
[16:07] Prospero Linden: Catch you all later :)
[16:08] AJ Brooks: l8tr g'nite all
[16:08] Gravity Folsom: going back to classroom design m'self