SL Education Roundtable - Montclair State Islands
Tuesday, August 26th, 2008
Open Forum


[15:19] AJ Brooks: hell
[15:19] Kennesaw Landar: hehe whats up??
[15:19] AJ Brooks: you can go on up into the amphitheataer - i'll be up shortly and we'll get started in about 10 minutes or so
[15:19] Kennesaw Landar: cool
[15:30] AJ Brooks: hi everyone
[15:31] Robin Mochi: hi
[15:31] Polaris Grayson: Hi bro
[15:31] mOOn Jaecies: aloha!
[15:31] AJ Brooks: if you are sitting in the amphitheater, please come on down and sit at the table
[15:31] Olivia Hotshot: i may have to go in a bit so i will decline a chair, but thanks ! :)
[15:31] AJ Brooks: there is plenty of room adn there will always be one more chair than neeeded. ok - if you wish, although peopel pop in and out all teh time. :-)
[15:31] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: oops--sorry I sat on someone's chair
[15:32] AJ Brooks: Folks always ask about our roundtable. Its actually part of the mystitool HUD. it can be found under rezzers
[15:32] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: No, I mean I sat on someone's chair WHEN SOMEONE WAS IN IT!
[15:32] AJ Brooks: the HUD costa just under $400L. and it does SO much
[15:33] Joachim Thor: it a very practical table
[15:33] JeanClaude Vollmar: Hello everyone
[15:33] AJ Brooks: Hey JC
[15:33] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: Hi, All
[15:33] AJ Brooks: have you gotten anything from Peter about the CG Leaders meeting? Hi Physta
[15:34] Ping Exonar: not me
[15:34] Physta Stardust: Hi AJ
[15:34] AJ Brooks: Physta is one of our residents here on CHSSSouth
[15:34] JeanClaude Vollmar: I haven't yet.
[15:34] AJ Brooks: so i m00n. and Ping. wow - a family reuiono here. LOL we'll wait just one more minute. my guess is that this is a vacation week
[15:35] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: hiya folks
[15:35] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: Not here. We've started back
[15:35] Marcus Fiertze: Greetings everyone
[15:35] Physta Stardust: Howdy
[15:35] Marcus Fiertze: is there a topic for today's roundtable?
[15:35] mOOn Jaecies: NOOOOO!!! we just started classes yesterday!
[15:35] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: their eyes were bigger than saucers when I began talking about SL :D
[15:35] AJ Brooks: its open forum but I have a few things to start and then we'll open it up a bit. ok - lets get rolling. Hi everyone, and welcome. This is the SL Education Roundtable, made possible by the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University. We meet here each week at 3:30pm SLT for an hour. Sometimes we have a topic, sometimes its an open forum, like this evening.
[15:37] Zotarah Shepherd: Sorry I crashed.
[15:37] AJ Brooks: A few announcements, before we get started. If you have Mystitool on, or other similiar tool, please put it to sleep. :-) If you like these meetings, please join our group - SL EDUCATION ROUNDTABLE. If you have problems finding it in search, IM me and I will send you an invite sometime after this meeing but before I log for the night. As the group grows, there will be announcements and such that will be exclusive to the group. I'm also open for ideas of what can bring value to the group.
[15:37] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: I rely on your repeated reminders, AJ...
[15:37] AJ Brooks: :-) SLEDcc is just around the corner. Please come to Tampa if you can - its a great experience. If you can't please join the in-world conference which is taking place at the same time, September 5,6,7 I think - and it is free! IM me if you want details, I'll get back to you as soon as I can AFTER tonights meeting. WE will be trying to do a meet-up in Tampa - look for info soon. If you have an idea for a future meeting, please drop me a notecard or an IM. This is a pubilc meeting, and we keep transcripts of the chat. Past meeting chat transcripts can be found in The HUGE Bldg, just outside the Amphitheater. Enter the door that runs along the canal and make a left. Lastly, please feel free to wander around the island - tonight after the meeting or come back any time. we're currently up to 22 residents, most of whom have been very active in getting their areas going. Many are Montclair State faculty or staff, but the others have taken advantage of the CHSSSouth Free Land Initiative. For more information on that, see one of the notegivers at the bottom of the outside stairs. We are still accepting applications, although at the moment we are on a wait list. We'll start our meeting as we usually do. Please introduce yourself. Tell us who you are, where you are from, and what you do. No need to wait for others to type - go ahead and enter your information right away, we can all catch up in chat history. I am AJ Kelton, I'm the Director of Emerging Instructional Technology for the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University. We're located in northern New Jersey, just six miles from midtown Manhattan. sorry - 14 miles
[15:40] Kavon Zenovka: Kae from Front Range CC in Colorado
[15:40] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: Donna Murphy, Edinboro U of PA. Using SL in a DE class for first time this fall
[15:40] JeanClaude Vollmar: I'm JC (Jeff Le Blanc in RL). I'm in NW Ohio and am the VP for IT at my U.
[15:40] Ignatius Onomatopoeia is Joe Essid, University of Richmond Writing Center Director & Coordinator of First-year Composition
[15:40] Robin Mochi: Reference and Distance Services Librarian from small private university in Portland, Oregon, USA
[15:40] Joachim Thor: i'm from germany .... BSc in Informatic .... working on a tool for project management and virtual seminars
[15:40] mOOn Jaecies: René Sadae U of Hawai'i campuses - health science n nursing
[15:40] Kennesaw Landar: Admin ava for Kennesaw State University Geiorgia currently inhabited by gwenette Writer her ava is concurrently building:)
[15:40] Zotarah Shepherd: I am a MA in Education (technology and psychology) student at Sonoma State University in northern California working an a curriculum thesis project: Teaching and Learning Life-Skills in Second Life. I plan to buy an island of Immersive Interactive Educational builds about Life-skills for teachers and parents.
[15:40] Professor Caproni: I am Alyson Gill, Assistant Professor of Art History at Arkansas State University, currently teaching 2 Fine Arts Visual courses entirely inworld.
[15:40] Physta Stardust: Sharon Henriksen, from Indianapolis
[15:41] AJ Brooks: anyone else?
[15:41] Phane Xue: Hi, I am Stephane. I'm a MSc Student at Newcastle University, UK. Im doing some research on Education in SL for my dissertation.
[15:41] Eneias Pessoa: Virgílio A. P. Machado, Professor of Industrial Engineering at the Faculdade de Ciências e Tecnologia of the Universidade Nova de Lisboa, Portugal.
[15:41] Marcus Fiertze Educational Technologist with Texas A&M Universtiy - Corpus Chirsti
[15:41] AJ Brooks: folks in the amphitheater seating, come on down and join us - plenty of room :-) Ok - thanks everyone. Oh, one final note - it is really hard for me to keep up with IMs while I run the meeting, but I promise to get back to anyone who IMs me as soon after the meeting as I can. So - I thought I would start us off toinight. This is an American thing, Im afriad. but it is such a huge benefit, peopel should know about it. Here in America we have something called a Fedearl Work Study program. it is part of a financial aid package that students get
[15:43] Joachim Thor nods and raises the german flag .... it's to late for most of us from europe
[15:43] AJ Brooks: the money for the pay comes from the financial aid and not from a departments budget
[15:43] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: :)
[15:43] AJ Brooks: so I put out an ad for students to be "student stafffers" in sl. do some of the basic things we need done for school. classes, etc... not run the classes. LOL. I mean support for the classes. I sent out 625 email invitations to fill out an online application. I said it was second life
[15:44] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: Don't laugh, AJ--I had someone tell me yesterday that SL will take the place of professors
[15:44] Ping Exonar: jack mcCarty Clarendon College pampa, TX IT program Coordinator-Pampa is two miles past earth's -end
[15:44] Professor Caproni: I doubt it.
[15:44] AJ Brooks: and listed some of the things the students will do I get 57 responses. have already scheduled 13 interviews
[15:44] mOOn Jaecies: invitations to whom AJ?
[15:44] AJ Brooks: hired two students today
[15:45] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: coool
[15:45] AJ Brooks: the students at MSU who are getting federal work study. oh - I forgot a step. sorry
[15:45] Professor Caproni: So are you saying that Work Study will pay for students to work in SL?
[15:45] TommyJW Ninetails: yes - just write a program to pick a grad student to do lectures...
[15:45] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: So, they are physically near you
[15:45] AJ Brooks: one sec. lol
[15:45] mOOn Jaecies: wow!!!
[15:45] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: Yah, Tommy--tht's what he meant
[15:45] AJ Brooks: we are provided with teh names and contact information of studetns in the federal work study program
[15:45] TommyJW Ninetails: lol
[15:45] AJ Brooks: everyone aroudn campus has access to these students for work. they are used across campus and its an importatn aspect of us being able to have studetn help
[15:46] TommyJW Ninetails: I did it way back when ...
[15:46] Professor Caproni: Aren't students allocated to certain departments?
[15:46] AJ Brooks: and I believe this is the case for US instaitutions
[15:46] Kavon Zenovka: My 2 work study are my product testers for SL and serious games.
[15:46] AJ Brooks: so - yes, these studetns will be helping me in SL. they are going to get padi to work in SL. the two I interviewed today. I gave them 10 minutes
[15:46] TommyJW Ninetails: where do I sign up!?
[15:46] Ping Exonar: i have 3 tech support work Study
[15:47] AJ Brooks: just openied the program with them on the NMC orientation sialnd. after the 10 minutes, when I came back
[15:47] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: Do they know anything about SL already?
[15:47] AJ Brooks: both had mastered ALL of teh basci skills - walking ,flying, teleporting, chatting, etc...
[15:47] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: woah
[15:47] AJ Brooks: no - neigther of them had ever heard of SL
[15:47] Ping Exonar: all3 of mine do that
[15:47] AJ Brooks: and oth of them told me the figured out how to BUILT SOMETHING
[15:47] mOOn Jaecies: I'm curious about the Prof's question....Aren't students allocated to certain departments?
[15:47] Marcus Fiertze: that's what we can expect from entering students these days
[15:47] Ignatius Onomatopoeia applauds--hope for Gen Y :)
[15:47] AJ Brooks: BUILD!!!!!!!!!
[15:48] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: What about the so-called "steep learning curve"?
[15:48] AJ Brooks: and they are costing my budget NOTHING. and this will get the studetns on campus excited about SL. they will talk to their friends
[15:48] Marcus Fiertze: No mOOn, most are not allocated
[15:48] Zotarah Shepherd: I refused work study at SSU since the "pay" is so low. I could do better elsewhere.
[15:48] TommyJW Ninetails: come on .. it's self entertaining .. the learning of sl.
[15:48] AJ Brooks: so this will start a student ground swell, I hope
[15:48] Ping Exonar: i believe you are correct
[15:49] AJ Brooks: I'd rather work in SL for 8$ an hour than ANYTHING else for even 10
[15:49] JeanClaude Vollmar: That'll be interesting to see the results AJ. Keep track if you can.
[15:49] Zotarah Shepherd: But I am in SL anyway and it would be nice to get paid for that. lol
[15:49] AJ Brooks: I will be. I hope to write a paper on this. and to think
[15:49] Olf Ort: I am wondering about the skills that can be transfered from SL to working life
[15:49] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: How old are they? What program of study?
[15:49] Kennesaw Landar: it is not really a steep learning curve that is a kind of myth if you want to be an sl guru tehre is alot to learn if you want to be in here and build a bit it is pretty simple IF you use a computer already
[15:49] AJ Brooks: students haven't even come back yet
[15:49] TommyJW Ninetails: good idea .. get a ton of work-study students building lecture materails under your direction in sl..nice
[15:49] AJ Brooks: so I'm getting the folks who are reading their email the week before school starts
[15:49] Robin Mochi: yes, intereting. I'm assuming you are referring to traditional undergrad students?
[15:50] AJ Brooks: only undergards are eligible for FWS (federal work study. so I"m totally excited about this
[15:50] TommyJW Ninetails: they can read and write and do math? they are in college - right?
[15:50] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: My class Writing Fellow is very excited about working in SL...I pay her from my budget. But then she wants to becaome a graphic designer IRL...and so she has a real incentive to learn to build.
[15:50] mOOn Jaecies: i know what *I'LL* be doing tmrw!!!
[15:50] AJ Brooks: sorry to our non-US folks
[15:50] Marcus Fiertze: Also, these same students could serve as testimonials or mentors for future students taking courses in SL.
[15:51] AJ Brooks: I try not to make things any one-culture-centric
[15:51] Olf Ort: It's ok
[15:51] mOOn Jaecies: do u have a jumping off point to offer us AJ?
[15:51] AJ Brooks: ???m00n?
[15:52] Joachim Thor: AJ .... this is always a little US centric .... do you know something similar from europe?
[15:52] Polaris Grayson: Bummer im not an undergrad.... I would love it hehe
[15:52] TommyJW Ninetails: I am confused as to WHY there are not students flocking here in sl now?
[15:52] mOOn Jaecies: web addy? somewhere we can go to to get this started for ourselves?
[15:52] AJ Brooks: i am not sure if there is anything similar in other countries - I only follow, for the most part, what goes on in the US. Which is, in and of itself, a handful. your finanicla aid department. this all channels through your financial aid departments
[15:53] Olf Ort: I can offer a view from Australia but i am not sure what we are discussing?
[15:53] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Tommy that is a BIG topic--New World Notes has been talking about why this demographic does not flock to SL
[15:53] AJ Brooks: so even in non-us universities, if you have somethign simliar to finacial aid offices, ask there
[15:53] Marcus Fiertze: Tommy, coudl it be that the "enterainment" value does not exist in SL for our students (their generation) ?
[15:53] Physta Stardust: Well congratulations, AJ!
[15:53] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: Also, SLED listserv has been discusing it
[15:54] AJ Brooks: yes - big on sled
[15:54] TommyJW Ninetails: New World notes? Is that a blog?
[15:54] AJ Brooks: why do you think, Tommy? anyone have the link for Au's blog?
[15:54] TommyJW Ninetails: good question ... there is a stigma about it - maybe?
[15:54] AJ Brooks: a stigma? about SL in particular
[15:55] Kavon Zenovka: Marcus - I think it may be that WoW may be a little more engaging and still really social.
[15:55] AJ Brooks: about virtual worlds?
[15:55] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2008/08/generation-why.html
[15:55] AJ Brooks: Thanks, Ig
[15:55] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: that's the Au post (not self-promoting here...)
[15:55] TommyJW Ninetails: something about it being too much like play? I can't explain it to someone well, without 'showing it' it sounds lame to me even..
[15:55] AJ Brooks: its a great blog. smart guy
[15:55] Marcus Fiertze: yes, from what i've seen, it's the more mature users that flock to SL..
[15:56] Kavon Zenovka: I love SL for its endless posssibilites but ... I 'm not playing a game when I go into SL.
[15:56] Marcus Fiertze: SL offers a mean of escape...form their daily lives
[15:56] AJ Brooks: yes - the averae age is like 31 or 32
[15:56] TommyJW Ninetails: well - I like being the exception
[15:56] Marcus Fiertze: whereas, college students dont' have a life to escape from yet
[15:56] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: I definitely think you need to SHOW. Last week, I presented at the President's Futures conference
[15:56] Zotarah Shepherd: I have a Federal work study and I am a graduate student AJ.
[15:56] Marcus Fiertze: they're looking for thrills...and instant gratifcation
[15:56] AJ Brooks: well - games have rules and goals, SL has neither of those built in (although there can certainly be games IN SL)
[15:56] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: Won some converts, but still dealing with questions about sex slaves and such
[15:56] Marcus Fiertze: and games such as WoW
[15:56] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I like what AJ Tan wrote...she's the Cornell student who wrote the piece we discussed last week. She noted that SL is TOO much like RL :)
[15:56] Physta Stardust: Well, games are externally driven -- SL in a more internally directed activity
[15:56] mOOn Jaecies: i think it's TOO big sometimes - i'm thinking about making calling cards w/ a quick start n then a couple of fave science islands n pass them out 2 students as i bump in2 them on campus
[15:56] TommyJW Ninetails: anyone who starts sl thinking game .. will not be happy with it..
[15:57] AJ Brooks: No - Ruby, they can't have sex slaves in the first 30 days
[15:57] TommyJW Ninetails: but as a tool .. sl screams usefulness!
[15:57] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: darn...there goes my first assignment, AJ
[15:57] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: Great idea,mOOn!
[15:57] AJ Brooks: lol
[15:57] Zotarah Shepherd: hahaha
[15:57] AJ Brooks: so - is SL just useful?
[15:57] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: Ah--an isolation period...
[15:57] Kavon Zenovka: One of our instructors remarked - that traditional students are foucesd on their RL, that they will never be thinner, better looking and have more time for F2F socializing.
[15:58] Polaris Grayson: its useful if applied right
[15:58] Brenton Landar: Are the millenials avoiding SL because they don't see a clear point or objective to being here?
[15:58] AJ Brooks: Hi Polaris! what I meant was, is that SL's appeal
[15:58] Ignatius Onomatopoeia agrees--our kids have dense social networks already...online & in person
[15:58] Polaris Grayson: heheh Hi
[15:58] AJ Brooks: its a tool - its useful
[15:58] Marcus Fiertze: what's what i've been hearing Brenton
[15:58] mOOn Jaecies: they're buzzzzy - multi-tasking. SL is huge time-hog
[15:58] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: btw, the AJ Tan piece is at http://www.metanomics.net/07-aug-2008/004-devils-advocate
[15:58] TommyJW Ninetails: I have a technical background and understand the parts that make up virtual worlds, but actually using it.. I spent a few days just going .. dam! what can I not use it for?
[15:58] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: I don't get that article introduced in SLED a couple of days ago. It characterized millenials as wanting/needing structure and direct instruction
[15:58] Zotarah Shepherd: Well we need to show students why SL is important.
[15:58] Marcus Fiertze: and that's why it's important to impress upon the student a clearly defined goal for their participation
[15:58] Kavon Zenovka: I don't think they are avoiding it - I think it just hasn't caught their attention.
[15:59] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: It implied (I think) that Gen Xers are the one's most pen to free-floating creativity
[15:59] Brenton Landar: I am guessing that all of us our educators in some sense..and there for see the positives to SL in education terms
[15:59] AJ Brooks: this gneration wants to be engaged
[15:59] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: Well, excuuuuuuuuse me: As a Baby Booner, I believe WE are somewhat free-floating...
[15:59] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I am paying them L for completing tasks first in the scavenger hunt...they LOVE that. As long as I don't use university funds, our admins are cool on that.
[15:59] Brenton Landar: kids are still maturing and looking at it from a different direction...
[16:00] AJ Brooks: they need to be engaged
[16:00] AJ Brooks: SL is not engaging by iteslef. we have to make it engaging. they don't stay because they are not engaged - simple
[16:00] Robin Mochi: my 21 year old senior in college daughter, who has seen me in SL, refuses to enter SL, hangs out in facebook, says she doesn't want to do the work to learn SL for no reason.
[16:00] AJ Brooks: lol - ok - lets go home
[16:00] TommyJW Ninetails: it's like trying to convice someone a flashlight is a great tool - in midday outside
[16:00] AJ Brooks: (just kidding0
[16:00] Brenton Landar: great..lets talk about that next meeting ...how to build engaging content for students
[16:00] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: lol...Robin...they don't want to hang with parents, either :D
[16:00] mOOn Jaecies: yes - i find most students task-oriented, so they want the goal b4 even turning an eye towards it
[16:00] AJ Brooks: great topic. done
[16:00] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: good idea
[16:01] Polaris Grayson: to make it engaging, the scripters are sl future i think
[16:01] AJ Brooks: ok -= done - next weeks topic is set. and then I hav one for the week following also. griefing
[16:01] Kavon Zenovka: I don't care if convert stuents into SL users outside of class time. I care that SL as an engagement tool and as an immersive environment can lead to deeper and richer learning for the students.
[16:01] TommyJW Ninetails: what I like is the .. everyone is a student/teacher here.. you shine on your ideas and I can learn something from anyone.
[16:02] AJ Brooks: someone suggested that - but I think it makes sense to do engaging content first and then griefing
[16:02] Brenton Landar: I don't think engagement comes from SL it comes from a well developed lesson..no different than RL
[16:02] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yeah--and for wrting teachers it gives students a "real audience" b/c I run the best work in my blog for the local paper
[16:02] mOOn Jaecies: i've been looking for a handful of good student sites, n find that...even when i'm provided some SLURLS, they r just 2 big 2 explore 2 find the nugget that I want to give as a LM 2 the students
[16:02] AJ Brooks: Kavon, I undersstand - but I also think if we DO engaged them more, generally, the learning will be even deeper
[16:02] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: The converts I'm talking about are faculty, staff, and administrators...
[16:03] AJ Brooks: lol. ohj THOSE converst! ROFL. HI Yasmine! :-)
[16:03] TommyJW Ninetails: a person needs imagination to understand sl.. or to get there nose rubbed in each possibility
[16:03] Brenton Landar: As a non grad student taking distant ed classes I see this as offering an extra connection for the students
[16:03] Kavon Zenovka: Is it the cripters or is the instructors or instructional designers who develop lesson and write the narrrative for the immersieve environment.
[16:03] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL--the "Interweb Net Thingie" folks who cannot send attachments? Those admins?
[16:03] Yasamine Grayson: Hi Aj...: ))
[16:03] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: oh, my. I've lost my hair. Ah, well...
[16:03] AJ Brooks: what this in my coffee?
[16:04] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: hahahahaha
[16:04] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: me too..it's spreading Ruy
[16:04] AJ Brooks hands soggy hair back to Ruby
[16:04] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: Is it red? that's great!!!
[16:04] AJ Brooks: any burning question on someone's mind?
[16:04] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: But I did love the dreds...
[16:05] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: okies
[16:05] TommyJW Ninetails: students should be encouraged to be teachers iwhen in sl.. maybe being in sl could inspire importance/significance in themselves
[16:05] Physta Stardust: Bally, looks like it's on the stairs behind you
[16:05] Eneias Pessoa: Sorry. May I take a seat here?
[16:05] Kennesaw Landar: this:deeper and richer learning I think if learning is EASIER students will flock here. if the immersion creates unforgetable experience we will ahve them as proponents
[16:05] AJ Brooks: please have a seaet. although I'm about to mix things up - everyone hold on
[16:05] Polaris Grayson: I think the scripters will assist in making the presentations more interactive.... Schools need to realize this in their lesson plans to use sl to the full extent
[16:05] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: god, sometimes i have no idea what i'm doing...
[16:05] Ignatius Onomatopoeia holds on......have no idea what I'm doing IRL
[16:05] JeanClaude Vollmar holds tight. Woohoo!
[16:05] Zotarah Shepherd: I lagged just now.
[16:06] AJ Brooks: lol
[16:06] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: what the xxxxx was that??? cooool
[16:06] AJ Brooks: i had to reset the chairs
[16:06] Brenton Landar: I think educators need to become the Sriptors and help develop that content
[16:06] Zotarah Shepherd: I thought I had crashed.
[16:06] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: anyone tried Scratch yet to script?
[16:06] Polaris Grayson: yes or involved in the developement
[16:06] AJ Brooks: i don't thin the educators need to be the scripters any more than they ahve to be the html scripters for the web
[16:06] JeanClaude Vollmar: I've messed with Scratch a bit.
[16:06] AJ Brooks: but they DO need to provide the content
[16:06] TommyJW Ninetails: if each student could be allowed to perminately add something here.. each student building on each other lession matteral..
[16:06] Zotarah Shepherd: I don't know what Scratch is.
[16:06] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: I keep intending to learn scripting. Is it much different (re complexity) from html??
[16:07] AJ Brooks: YES!
[16:07] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: easier? harder?
[16:07] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Scratch is a tool from MIT for scripting (for non-coders like me). I'll find that URL...
[16:07] Brenton Landar: yes..it is a programing langauage..
[16:07] AJ Brooks: I can do simple HTML - I can make minor revisions to scripts, but it totall eliudes me otherwise
[16:07] Zotarah Shepherd: I can mess with scripts but don't know how to make them
[16:07] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: ah...I'm not of that ilk...
[16:07] AJ Brooks: well - html is a language also
[16:07] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: http://web.mit.edu/~eric_r/Public/S4SL/ (cutest how-to video EVER)
[16:07] Brenton Landar: yes..but not a true programing language
[16:08] Robin Mochi: I copy and paste and modify other people's scripts, that's about it.
[16:08] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: I'll check out the video
[16:08] Brenton Landar: a high bred if you will
[16:08] Polaris Grayson: I can mod, but not write
[16:08] Marcus Fiertze: I would like to pose a question: we speak of making it engaging for students. I've often visited university sites in SL, but have found them deserted more often than not. What can individual/groups/institutions do better to encourage use of their SL facilities? When i see an empty SL campus, it gives me the impression there's nothing worthwile there to engage me. Any thoughts?
[16:08] AJ Brooks: that may be - but it is still an language, and has to be learned in the same constructivist learning style
[16:08] Robin Mochi: thanks for that link
[16:08] AJ Brooks: Marcus, we're going to devote all next meeting to that very theme
[16:08] Olf Ort: Marcus, that is a great question
[16:08] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: Marcus--I think you've given us another important topic for this roundtable
[16:08] Olf Ort: The spaces are just not animated enough to be attractive
[16:08] Marcus Fiertze: oh, great !
[16:08] AJ Brooks: I'm afrid we dn't have time to do that justice this meeting
[16:09] Robin Mochi: that was recently discussed on the SLED list as well - it's an important question
[16:09] AJ Brooks: yes - I think your suggesting fits in perfectly with "How to build engaging content for students" and hope you'll join us - if you'd like, you can start the meeting with that very question
[16:09] Eneias Pessoa: Do you see students in classrooms when school is out?
[16:09] TommyJW Ninetails: are they empty? or full of room to grow?! lol
[16:10] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: wow--what a glass-half-filled guy...
[16:10] Marcus Fiertze: good, because i think if i feel that way, then it would be several times over for students visiting sl campuses
[16:10] Olf Ort: I suppose people come onto SL and expect something dramatic
[16:10] AJ Brooks: Sorry - that was supposed to be a private IM to marcus - LOL
[16:10] Ping Exonar: most of my "gaming" students don't think SL is interesting enough
[16:10] TommyJW Ninetails: expecting all the kids to script is too much.. some basic tools like the sratch things are needed..
[16:10] Marcus Fiertze: lol Tommy
[16:10] Polaris Grayson: what about an events coordinator
[16:11] AJ Brooks: say more, Polaris
[16:11] Marcus Fiertze: haha..
[16:11] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: interesting, Ping...my hard-core gamers now say "SL is getting there"
[16:11] Marcus Fiertze: IM to AJ: sure, i can start the next round table with that. lol
[16:11] AJ Brooks: lol
[16:11] Polaris Grayson: Events need to be developed for the students and faculty... not just classes...
[16:12] AJ Brooks: yes!
[16:12] TommyJW Ninetails: there are games that play very well here - just not the shoot'um up ones.. mostly because of lag
[16:12] Kavon Zenovka: Director or Chief Engagement Officer
[16:12] Polaris Grayson: you need an events coordinator for that
[16:12] AJ Brooks: if we only use this for classe, students will only see it as a class tool. I may charge some of my students to be the vents coordinator -a dn them severa l of the work out all the details
[16:12] Polaris Grayson: yes
[16:12] Brenton Landar: this is a life long learning tooll... students need to see it as that
[16:13] AJ Brooks: SL is not - virtual enviroments are
[16:13] Kavon Zenovka: I believe USC has a virtual worlds events coordinator
[16:13] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: Do youmean SL, AJ? I can't imagine most of them seeing it ias an actual Second Life, as many of us do...
[16:13] Physta Stardust: So on your campus, AJ, do the students have access to dorm-like rooms they can decorate/furnish?
[16:13] Olf Ort: Yes - maybe when employers see SL skills as necessary as well
[16:13] Brenton Landar: connecting students to real live experts from across the world
[16:13] AJ Brooks: yes - in fact, Physta, we do have residence hals - and in my class in the spring, it was part of their final assignment to decorate their rooms to reflect their learning
[16:13] Brenton Landar: you can get an answer to a quetion from real experts..u just need to find them
[16:14] AJ Brooks: you can see those - I've left them up
[16:14] TommyJW Ninetails: there could be a centrel area when students of different schools work together .. I think that might applea to some .. hey mom - I built a tower with some one from aferica today.
[16:14] AJ Brooks: I'll be happy to take a tour over there after this meeting, if anyone wants
[16:14] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: Their response is: Why not just Google the question
[16:14] Physta Stardust: Neat. How did that seem to go over?
[16:14] Olf Ort: Yes AJ I would like that
[16:14] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Or "hey, mom, my project report appeared in this guy Au's blog"
[16:14] AJ Brooks: well - it was part of an assignment, but their handiwork is clear - they seemed engageed
[16:14] Marcus Fiertze would love a tour
[16:14] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: I don't mean to be Devil's Advocate--I'm just relating the comments I've gotten
[16:14] Physta Stardust: I'd enjoy seeing them
[16:14] Robin Mochi: yes, a tour would be nice. thanks
[16:14] Brenton Landar: problem solving and cooperation are huge learning areas that student can build in SL
[16:15] Kavon Zenovka: We offer free 1 hr intro(s0 to the public thru our Small Business Development Center. Over the summer - we had corporate trainers from local businesses showing up at the noon sessions.
[16:15] AJ Brooks: RUBY, it's important to look at something from 360 degrees
[16:15] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: Yah--but that osunds like broccoli--both are good gfor you...
[16:15] AJ Brooks: its the way to make sure it on track
[16:15] Marcus Fiertze: Ruby, one reason would be you couldn't express yourself to a Google hit?
[16:15] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: sorry, AJ--I am, indeed, linear...
[16:15] Kavon Zenovka: So corporate trainers in our area are curious.
[16:15] TommyJW Ninetails: some students have never been out of the state they llive in, getting together is sl might be cool.. internatianally
[16:15] AJ Brooks: lol - good. excellne t- I'm not -s o I need linear peopla round to see things I don't see. i'm very Taoist
[16:16] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: and I'm very anal...
[16:16] AJ Brooks: this is why community is SO important
[16:16] AJ Brooks whispers to Ruby "me too"
[16:16] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: :)
[16:16] AJ Brooks: lol
[16:16] TommyJW Ninetails: not all students can learn from sl. not all students need to learn or want to learn.. until they are older.
[16:16] mOOn Jaecies: go to a Great Teachers Seminar near u and find out why our Community is so important!
[16:17] AJ Brooks: not all students can learn form SL - great point
[16:17] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: And, perhaps, not all educators can educate/facilitate in SL
[16:17] Robin Mochi: the ability to connect globally with others is a huge benefit of SL, and one recent doctoral students from my university saw after their first time inworld.
[16:17] Zotarah Shepherd: I have been in chatrooms where you could communicate with people all over thew world. In SL you can experience and make things collaboratively.
[16:17] Marcus Fiertze: That's very true Tommy
[16:17] AJ Brooks: i agree - although it does appeal to kinestetics, visual, and auditories
[16:17] Marcus Fiertze: SL is not a catch all
[16:17] TommyJW Ninetails: I would like to revisit chemistry from HS.. I am weak on it , and is sl I could sit in on a course in sl...
[16:17] mOOn Jaecies: i think that those that do learn tho, can share their view of the course knowledge then 2 the other students that yawn at SL
[16:17] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: but we can now answer peers' who ask us "what's the educational use?"
[16:17] Zotarah Shepherd: What could you not teach in SL?
[16:18] AJ Brooks: touch
[16:18] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: ah, well...
[16:18] AJ Brooks: you can't teach what a beating heart FEELS like. to a doctor
[16:18] TommyJW Ninetails: tools are needed. simple tools.
[16:18] Brenton Landar: SL will never take the place of RL only enhance it
[16:18] AJ Brooks nods
[16:19] TommyJW Ninetails: free - open and easity accessable tools are needed
[16:19] Kavon Zenovka: educational uses - same as the internet, film, television, we have colleagues who have not figured out how to successful use these in their classes.
[16:19] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: Completely off-topic: Anyone going to EDUcause in Orlando in Oct?
[16:19] AJ Brooks: YES!
[16:19] mOOn Jaecies: but when ur standing there looking at a heart model beating twoering at 20 stories, it's pretty impressive how that machine works n must b doing inside yah!
[16:19] Kennesaw Landar: but you CAN teach the pattern habits of response to a NON BEATING heart for er doctors and staff
[16:19] mOOn Jaecies: towering
[16:19] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: ooooooooh!!!!! Can we meet up in RL??
[16:19] Marcus Fiertze: So far, I've found it less tiresome to list things you can't teach in SL than those you can
[16:19] AJ Brooks: sure, ruy - lets catch up after th meeting
[16:19] Polaris Grayson: on thing in presenting sl as a teaching tool... at what point is total emersion evident?
[16:19] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: k. i'm just doing a poster session...
[16:20] Marcus Fiertze: is there such a thing as total imersion?
[16:20] AJ Brooks: wow. is there such a thing as total immersion
[16:20] Marcus Fiertze: immersoin* grrrrrh
[16:20] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: I'mnot sure people in real life totally immerse...
[16:20] Brenton Landar: yea..moving to another country and not speaking the language
[16:20] TommyJW Ninetails: what good is a class room? what can you teach in one? SL just classroom.. anything is possible
[16:20] AJ Brooks: what would total immersion even look like
[16:20] mOOn Jaecies: AJ, 4 those of us who can only attend in SL, can u give us one of ur nifty thrifty REMINDers??? Please?
[16:20] Polaris Grayson: my brother spent 14 hrs a day on everquest
[16:21] AJ Brooks: reminder of what?
[16:21] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: What is everquest? That certainly sounds like an immersive experience
[16:21] Kennesaw Landar: I like to refer to sl as a medium a pallette taht you mashup with rl tolls and your own creativity
[16:21] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Tommy, I have some nifty tools in the RL classroom I don't have here :)
[16:21] Kennesaw Landar: tools
[16:21] Brenton Landar: everquest is a game
[16:21] Polaris Grayson: like world of warcraft
[16:21] TommyJW Ninetails: I save so much gas money using sl.. I'm not driving anywhere to events that I'm enjoying, my TV hasn't been used in weeks..
[16:21] AJ Brooks: wait 0-serious - what does total immersion mean?
[16:21] mOOn Jaecies: SLCC
[16:21] Zotarah Shepherd: We need to immerce enough to dispel disbelief though.
[16:21] AJ Brooks: (m00n- sure, no worries)
[16:22] Kennesaw Landar: see Immersive education group one sec
[16:22] Physta Stardust: Sounds like a spirtitual experience ... total immersion
[16:22] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: hmmmm. I'm thinking it means, not just fully surrounded by, but fully absorbed in, as well
[16:22] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: including handwriting...I get students to keep old-fashioned journals for drafting their work...it involves a haptic type of learning hard to recreate here
[16:22] TommyJW Ninetails: good internet connection is important .. and one of the barrieres to out of school projects on sl
[16:22] Kennesaw Landar: http://www.immersiveeducation.org/
[16:22] AJ Brooks: fully absorbed. is that even possible?
[16:23] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Tommy--great point. Our labs can BARELy run SL...LL keeps raising the ante for minimum system reqs
[16:23] AJ Brooks: the technology WILl catch up
[16:23] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: dunno. That's a question for monks and others with time to consider the big questions. But I like to think it's possible
[16:23] TommyJW Ninetails: you can get 3D aspect seem real.. I've used head trackers that put you there.
[16:24] Kennesaw Landar: well realistically that group is addressing pushing the envelope of what immersive means
[16:24] TommyJW Ninetails: but most common would be polerized glassed..
[16:24] Kavon Zenovka: Everquest and other MMORPG(s) with the 14 hours - can you be immersed without being CYTIE ( Causes You To Forget Everything Else)
[16:24] TommyJW Ninetails: eveyone can view the same projection at once
[16:24] AJ Brooks: cytie! LOL. SL can be like that oo
[16:24] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: Actually, SL caused me some serious CYTIE for my first few months onboard
[16:24] Kavon Zenovka: my work study gave me that word
[16:24] AJ Brooks: I've saat down to do somethign at 11pm and looked up at 2am and gone HUH????
[16:25] Polaris Grayson: The FCC has capped the limits for movies being to realistic.... Beowulf pushed that envelope
[16:25] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: Those of us with ADHD call that experience, "hyperfocus"
[16:25] Kavon Zenovka: Exactly - to people who aren't into VWs - you explain it like reading a book
[16:25] TommyJW Ninetails: it's easy - sit in on a few classes, touch base with some people, save gas money and the environment
[16:25] AJ Brooks: fokls - we're almost out of time. I want to remind everone we meet here each Tuesday at 3:30pm SLT. Next week our topic will be "HOW TO BUILD ENGAGIN CONTENT FOR STUDETNS". Right now I'm offer to take folks on a tour to our residence halls, where some of my students decorated their dorms to reflect their learning on scoial issues during our freshman comp class
[16:26] Eneias Pessoa: Immersion - Total occupation of the attention or of the mind
[16:26] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: or of the senses
[16:26] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thanks, AJ!
[16:26] Olf Ort: Thanks AJ
[16:26] AJ Brooks: my pleasure
[16:26] Kavon Zenovka: Thanks! Bye!
[16:26] JeanClaude Vollmar: Yes, thanks again for hosting AJ
[16:26] Physta Stardust: Thanks for sharing your thoughts, everyon
[16:26] AJ Brooks: so at 4:30pm SLT - I'll head out to the front of the amphtiheater
[16:26] Robin Mochi: thanks
[16:26] Marcus Fiertze: bye kavon
[16:26] RubyTuesday Ballyhoo: Thanks, AJ. We'll talk soon. By, All. I need to go find some hair...
[16:26] AJ Brooks: anyone who is intersted can meet or join me there
[16:26] Zotarah Shepherd: It would be nice if Desi or Eloise could be here next week AJ.
[16:26] Phane Xue: thank you
[16:27] Marcus Fiertze: see everyone next week
[16:27] AJ Brooks: anotehr GREAT conversation
[16:27] Eneias Pessoa: A total immersion in life offers the best classroom for learning to love. — Leo Buscaglia, American author and lecturer on love and relationships, professor at University of Southern California, from Love.
[16:27] TommyJW Ninetails: ty
[16:27] AJ Brooks: LOVE Leo Buscaglia
[16:27] Eneias Pessoa: LOL
[16:27] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: /ao on