SL Education Roundtable - Montclair State Islands
Tuesday, August 19th, 2008
Teaching in Second Life
Part of this transcript has been edited for readability.


[15:23] AJ Brooks: hello
[15:23] Zotarah Shepherd: Hello AJ
[15:23] AJ Brooks: Z! How are you?
[15:23] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Hiya AJ
[15:23] AJ Brooks: Ignatius, good to see you again
[15:23] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thanks--nice to see all you folks
[15:23] Zemira Letov: Hello
[15:24] AJ Brooks: those in the amphitheater, please come on down and join us at teh roundtable. Hi Zamira. there's more than enough room for everyone here
[15:24] Zotarah Shepherd: Wheeee I so like this table
[15:24] AJ Brooks: chairs will appear as needed and I can always make the table bigger
[15:24] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: there--that wig is hot :)
[15:25] AJ Brooks: so many people are on vacation, I wondered if this meeting and next would be well attended
[15:25] Zotarah Shepherd: Leondra come join us
[15:25] Arielion Clawtooth: I'm a newbie visitor from the SLED list so forgive me if I don't understand protocol.
[15:25] AJ Brooks: we don't bite. well - Ignatius might :-)
[15:25] Bluesy Indigo: :)
[15:26] Zotarah Shepherd: Regi come sit at the table with us. There is always an empty chair or 2
[15:26] AJ Brooks: Z is always my coralling person - I love it
[15:26] Regi Vollmar: hi everyone
[15:26] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: may we keep a transcript?
[15:26] AJ Brooks: ty! :-)
[15:26] Zemira Letov: oh how cool.. I would love the script for that!
[15:26] JeanClaude Vollmar: Hey all
[15:27] Zotarah Shepherd: Bluesy come sit with us *smiles*
[15:27] AJ Brooks: we generate transcripts for all meetings - its a public meeting, so folks shoudl know not to say anything stupid
[15:27] Bluesy Indigo: okay
[15:27] Leondra Larsson: hello all
[15:27] AJ Brooks: so you are welcome to keep a transcript also
[15:27] Zotarah Shepherd: hahaha AJ
[15:27] AJ Brooks: i'm very behind in putting mine out
[15:27] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: it's that time of year
[15:27] Zotarah Shepherd: Brenton there is a chair here
[15:28] Arielion Clawtooth: Don't make any assumptions about saying stupid things in public meetings. All too common, unfortunately.
[15:28] Brenton Landar: thnks
[15:28] Zotarah Shepherd: I think this group is more forgiving than the media. hehe
[15:28] Zemira Letov: AJ, did you get this table at the Mystical Cookie main store????
[15:28] MB44 Husky: here you go.
[15:28] AJ Brooks: not exactly
[15:28] Bluesy Indigo: it is very cool
[15:29] AJ Brooks: this table is part of the full-paid mystitool. it is under the REZZER catagory. I don't believe the table is availabel stand-alone
[15:29] Zotarah Shepherd: I really like it AJ
[15:29] AJ Brooks: i do too - great for classes, meetings, etc... the table changes sizes too. depending on the meeting needs - well, it doesn't change on its own - one has to change it
[15:30] Zemira Letov: I wasn't interested in the table, alone,it's the magic chair rezzzer, I understand they are togetehr .. just want to know where the heck I can get one
[15:30] AJ Brooks: oh - they also have a tool included called AV Follow. chairs rez behind a designated person and then follow that person
[15:30] Zotarah Shepherd: MystiTool is great multitool for many educational uses. You can even orbit really naughty students. hehe
[15:30] AJ Brooks: really cool also
[15:30] Zemira Letov: at their main store?
[15:30] Bluesy Indigo: lol
[15:30] AJ Brooks: on avendale. and in blumfield. but I prefer the avendale store. if you do a search for Mystical Cookie - she has her stores in picks
[15:31] Zotarah Shepherd: I have not been to that one AJ
[15:31] Zemira Letov: yes i'm looking in her pics
[15:31] Zotarah Shepherd: Mystical Cookie is a genius
[15:31] AJ Brooks: My alt has a gallery on Avendale - its a great community. I've known mysti for a long time! LOL - since first coming in
[15:32] Zotarah Shepherd: It would be noce to get her to do a presentation sometime.
[15:32] AJ Brooks: i have tried. she's done a class on the mystitool once - the chat transcript is in the avendale store
[15:32] Arielion Clawtooth: Are any of you actually on the staff and faculty of MSU?
[15:32] AJ Brooks: below the freebie version. I am. I'll be introducing myself in a few minutes
[15:33] Arielion Clawtooth: Does MSU hold any actual classes here in SL?
[15:33] AJ Brooks: those in teh amphitheater, please come down and join us here at the table. i'm happy to chat more about that, once we're into the meeting. the short answer is yes
[15:33] Zotarah Shepherd: Maybe we could do one for her and use her chat transcript. Maybe even a machinima of it as a series of tools for teachers.
[15:33] Arielion Clawtooth: Okay. Thanks. I
[15:33] Chris2 Gallacher: HOw do we do the chair trick?
[15:33] AJ Brooks: plenty of seats folks, we're about to get started. come on down. anyone want to go for a WHEEE ride before we get started? hold on to your prims
[15:34] KarenKate Sands: yes:)
[15:34] Aldrif Avro: ok
[15:34] Ignatius Onomatopoeia holds on
[15:35] AJ Brooks: yeah! ok - lets get started. Hi everyone, and welcome. This is the SL Education Roundtable. We meet here each week at 3:30pm SLT for an hour. Sometimes we have a topic, sometimes its an open forum. Tonight our topic is Teaching in Second Life. A few announcements, before we get started. If you have Mystitool on, or other similiar tool, please put it to sleep. :-) it causes lag when there are so many of us. I'd like to remind everyone that, at the request of some folks who attend regularily, we now have a group. The group name is SL EDUCATION ROUNDTABLE. Please join. If you have problems finding it in search, IM me and I will send you an invite sometime after this meeing but before I log for the night. As the group grows, there will be announcements and such that will be exclusive to the group. I'm also open for ideas of what can bring value to the group. Just outside this amphitheater is an survey tool. A good friend is working on an in-world survey tool. Right now they are testing the tool & looking for feedback. The emphasis is on testing the tool itself, so they are looking for as many people as possible. Feel free to share any feedback with me and I will pass it along. SLEDcc is just around the corner. Please come to Tampa if you can - its a great experience. If you can't please join the in-world conference which is taking place at the same time, September 5,6,7 I think - and it is free! IM me if you want details, I'll get back to you as soon as I can AFTER tonights meeting. If you have an idea for a future meeting, please drop me a notecard with that idea (sometimes my IMs get capped). This is a pubilc meeting, and we keep transcripts of the chat. Past meeting chat transcripts can be found in The HUGE Bldg, just outside the Amphitheater. Enter the door that runs along the canal and make a left. Lastly, please feel free to wander around the island - tonight after the meeting or come back any time. we're currently up to 22 residents, most of whom have been very active in getting their areas going. Many are Montclair State faculty or staff, but the others have taken advantage of the CHSSSouth Free Land Initiative. For more information on that, see one of the notegivers at the bottom of the outside stairs. We are still accepting applications, although at the moment we are on a wait list. We'll start our meeting as we usually do. Please introduce yourself. Tell us who you are, where you are from, and what you do. No need to wait for others to type - go ahead and enter your information right away, we can all catch up in chat history. I am AJ Kelton, I'm the Director of Emerging Instructional Technology for the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University. We're located in northern New Jersey, just six miles from midtown Manhattan. come on folks - don't be shy
[15:38] Carrilin Heliosense: Carri Manchester, Dir. of Ed., Olana State Historic Site, Hudson, NY
[15:38] AJ Brooks: everyone can type at once
[15:38] JeanClaude Vollmar: I'm JC, Jeff Le Blanc in RL. I am the VP for IT at the University of Northwestern Ohio.
[15:39] AJ Brooks: just open LOCAL CHAT to catch up
[15:39] Ignatius Onomatopoeia is Joe Essid, University of Richmond Writing Center Director and Coordinator of 1st year writing
[15:39] Mercury Barnes: UW-Milwaukee, job description changed formally this morning to allow 25% Distance Education for three colleges (very happy guy here BTW...:).
[15:39] Chris2 Gallacher: I am Chris McCauley and am teaching Visual Culture in thr R W
[15:39] Zotarah Shepherd: I am a MA in Education (technology and psychology) student at Sonoma State University in northern California working an a curriculum thesis project: Teaching and Learning Life-Skills in Second Life.
I plan to buy an island of Immersive Interactive Educational buildsabout Life-skills for teachers and parents.
[15:39] Fiona Wobbit: Susannah Sanchez, Instructional Designer, Pima CC, Tucson, AZ
[15:39] Aldrif Avro: Aldrif Avro/Susan Penner, University of San Francisco Sch. of Nursing, bringing 22+ graduate nursing students into SL with land courtesy of AJ
[15:39] Zemira Letov: I am Zemira Letov, founder, master healer and educator for Into This Moment Distant Energy Healing. I am in Chicago and work worldwide via the internetand phone.
[15:39] KarenKate Sands: I'm Karen EVans at Howard Community College in Columbi
[15:39] Vikz Ansar: I'm vikz and I'm interested
[15:39] Arielion Clawtooth: Paul Villano with the Armed Forces Chaplaincy Center and School at Fort Jackson South Carolina
[15:39] Brenton Landar: I am brenton and I work for the Nebraska Department of ed
[15:40] Cp Penucca: My name is Page, I am an Instructional Designer for Antelope Valley College in SoCal and PhD student in Computer Technology
[15:40] mTea Box: Linda Woods, Education Advocate with AT&T
[15:40] Freemason Magic: Im the founder of http://educationinmotion.com
[15:40] Davidovic Dean: David van Gent. IBM Learning Partner Europe
[15:40] KarenKate Sands: in Columbia, MD. My role is to help faculty use technology in teaching, and am helping them begin to learn about SL.
[15:40] MiAn Landar: Natalie Moten, Anchorage Alaska k12 edTech teacher, working with E2T2 grant
[15:40] AJ Brooks: mTea - good to see you again
[15:40] Zemira Letov: btw, I'm a K-12 certified teacher
[15:40] AJ Brooks: Please also tell me how you found out about tonights meeting. If you got a group notice, which group? If you got an email, what listserv? If you saw it in SL Events, which thread?
[15:40] Aldrif Avro: Roundtable group
[15:40] Mercury Barnes: Your group notice In-World.
[15:40] Carrilin Heliosense: roundtable group
[15:40] Chris2 Gallacher: Thru the naaouncement from Real life in education
[15:40] Arielion Clawtooth: Email from the SLED list
[15:40] Zemira Letov: group notice
[15:41] KarenKate Sands: I'm in the Real Life Education in SL group and appreciated the group notice
[15:41] Davidovic Dean: Email from the SLED list
[15:41] MiAn Landar: group notice
[15:41] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Educause virtual worlds group notice
[15:41] Brenton Landar: ITSE GROUP NOTICE
[15:41] JeanClaude Vollmar: Roundtable group for me, among the many others. *smiles
[15:41] AJ Brooks: lol
[15:41] Vikz Ansar: through the search button
[15:41] AJ Brooks pokes JC
[15:41] Cp Penucca: IM from SLED
[15:41] Zotarah Shepherd: Several of them AJ including SLED
[15:41] AJ Brooks: Ok - thanks everyone. so - tonights topic is teaching in SL. since someone asked me about this island and MSU. perhaps I'll start
[15:42] Zotarah Shepherd: It is better to over-advertise than under
[15:42] AJ Brooks: our first island, Montclair State CHSS was first opened on April of 2007
[15:42] mTea Box: SLED then searched for location using SL Search tool.
[15:42] AJ Brooks: in january MSU added the CEHSADP island and in May - chss added this island. classes DO actually take place on these islands. not the least of which was my own class last semester
[15:42] Arielion Clawtooth: Define your acronyms please.
[15:43] AJ Brooks: whic ones
[15:43] Dr Xue: 'all
[15:43] AJ Brooks: College of Humanities and Social Sciences. Montclair State University
[15:43] Arielion Clawtooth: Thanks.
[15:43] AJ Brooks: College of Education and Human Services (CEHS). and ADP is for our ADP Center. it was a joint effort. were there any other TLAs
[15:43] Chris2 Gallacher: CEHSADP ?
[15:44] AJ Brooks: did that one
[15:44] Chris2 Gallacher: D'oh!
[15:44] AJ Brooks: AJ Brooks: College of Education and Human Services (CEHS). and ADP is for our ADP Center. :-) its hard to keep up sometimes. I always leave LOCAL CHAT open. so I can read back if I need to. this gropu is hard to follow sometimes, goes by VERY quiclkly. so - did that address the questions about what MSU is going here?
[15:45] Arielion Clawtooth: Yes. Thanks. Sorry for interrupting. As I said I don't know the protocol here.
[15:45] AJ Brooks: oh - we had about 1/2 a dozen teachers over the last 12 months do SOME type of work here. no protocal. except typos. LOL
[15:45] Freemason Magic: Im an independet developer interested in Art Education Software
[15:45] AJ Brooks: oh - and regarding the private IMs - I'll get back to you all AFTER the meeting
[15:46] Freemason Magic: and using SL
[15:46] AJ Brooks: ok. in what respect
[15:46] Bluesy Indigo: May I ask a question please
[15:46] Freemason Magic: http://educationinmotion.com
[15:46] AJ Brooks: sure, bluesy, one sec
[15:46] Bluesy Indigo: okay
[15:46] AJ Brooks: ok - so anyone who wants more info can follow that web site
[15:47] Freemason Magic: helping the chicldren with mobile applications and SL
[15:47] AJ Brooks: k-12 children? and how do mobile applications and SL tie into art education
[15:47] Freemason Magic: there is a program Sketchy
[15:47] AJ Brooks: ah
[15:47] Freemason Magic: is one example
[15:47] AJ Brooks: cool
[15:48] Freemason Magic: we researched a lot of them
[15:48] AJ Brooks: excellent - have you done any teaching in SL yet?
[15:48] Freemason Magic: the results are very impresive. my wife is an art teacher. she is trying to learn how to convert its mobile solution into SL
[15:49] AJ Brooks: k-12 i guess you are talking about
[15:49] Freemason Magic: using LSL. yes
[15:49] Zotarah Shepherd: I think SL would be a great place to teach Art of all sorts
[15:49] Freemason Magic: the whole map is in the website
[15:49] AJ Brooks: ok - so that would be somethign that worked out on the Teen Grid
[15:49] Freemason Magic: we are still working
[15:49] AJ Brooks: excellent
[15:49] Bluesy Indigo: There are many ways of teaching in SL - is it possible to upload an educational build from a desktop program - like Sketch (Google) or truespace (Microsoft)?
[15:49] Freemason Magic: yes
[15:50] Bluesy Indigo: Especially artwork would be easy
[15:50] AJ Brooks: sketch?
[15:50] Bluesy Indigo: really - how?
[15:50] AJ Brooks: 3d probgrams uploading into SL?
[15:50] Freemason Magic: you go to Goknow.com
[15:50] Bluesy Indigo: Google application that is 3D. yes yes
[15:50] Freemason Magic: and you can downloaded
[15:50] Marcus Fiertze: Truespace is by Caligari
[15:50] Zotarah Shepherd: Why would you not want to build 3-D builds in SL?
[15:50] Freemason Magic: all the information is in my website
[15:50] Bluesy Indigo: yes, I read that Microsoft bought the company
[15:51] AJ Brooks: i don't tink the 3d imaging softwares can be imported into SL
[15:51] Bluesy Indigo: it is easier to have
[15:51] Freemason Magic: http://educationinmotion.com
[15:51] AJ Brooks: ok - we have the URL - thanks. :-)
[15:51] Bluesy Indigo: lifted if you close for a session. and come back on
[15:51] Freemason Magic: well you can use. Blender
[15:51] Zemira Letov: SL itself is already a sort of 3D imagining software
[15:51] Freemason Magic: is a free 3d
[15:51] AJ Brooks: well - there are 3d mapping tools
[15:51] Zotarah Shepherd: It is really better to have students do the building so they are more invested in the process - constructivit approach.
[15:51] AJ Brooks: like maya, etc...
[15:52] Freemason Magic: yes
[15:52] Bluesy Indigo: I don't agree alwaqys
[15:52] AJ Brooks: having the students doing th building is one constructivist approach. there are others
[15:52] Bluesy Indigo: depends on if you are taching. teaching
[15:52] AJ Brooks: yes. my students created, but none of them built. I didn't have time to teach them those skilles - it ws a writing class
[15:52] Bluesy Indigo: the content and the students learning abilities. yes. : :)
[15:53] AJ Brooks: the tool shoudl never overshadow the content
[15:53] Zemira Letov: agree
[15:53] Mercury Barnes: SL seems an odd place for a writing class AJ -- does it work?
[15:53] AJ Brooks: lol - it worked quite well
[15:53] Freemason Magic: the tool, the content and the teacher should be one
[15:53] AJ Brooks: someone here is a writing center coordinator
[15:53] Freemason Magic: that is mobile education
[15:53] Mercury Barnes: Do you know why?
[15:53] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: for me too--natural place for a writing class--subject matter everywhere
[15:53] AJ Brooks: who was that? ah - yes. ignatius
[15:54] Arielion Clawtooth: Speaking of building and writing I saw a sample here on campus of words used as a building element. That would be a great approach, to turn student words into building elements.
[15:54] AJ Brooks: :-)
[15:54] Zotarah Shepherd: Just look at the LitAlive builds for inspiration.
[15:54] Ignatius Onomatopoeia is the WC Director
[15:54] AJ Brooks: yes - the lit alive builds are wonderful - but those are literature and not writing. writing as in the process of writing. literature is already written ! LOL
[15:54] Mercury Barnes: How did you use SL AJ?
[15:55] Marcus Fiertze: Pardon me Ignatius, could you provide an example of a writing activity?
[15:55] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I have students build wikis with a number of tasks...interviews, marketing analysis, even RP in-world as another ethnicity or gender
[15:55] Arielion Clawtooth: I meant the product of their process, which I hope is part of the class. :)
[15:55] AJ Brooks: well - the theme of the class was social issues. so all of their papers dealt with social issues. so they need to do research here in SL on those topics. one class we spent the whoel time on a field trp to Info Island. it was amazing. we'd also use SL to replace face-to-face time
[15:56] Mercury Barnes: What did you get from them (actually curious as to what they saw as a social issue)?
[15:56] AJ Brooks: break down into smaller groups
[15:56] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: cool--my focus is on analytical academic writing and how new tools change everything for writers
[15:56] Brenton Landar: AJ are you meeting with the class in rl as you explore sl
[15:56] AJ Brooks: i guided them on the topics they could look at - I gave them a lits at the beginning of the course. yes - it was a hybrid class - 1/2 in RL and 1/2 in SL. poverty, darfur, one even did medical marajuana, eating disorders, abuse. if you look for the dorms on CHSS (the main isalnd) you can see some of their final projects
[15:57] Mercury Barnes: Did they tap the visuals of SL, they couldn't, they would have had to join social groups and talk.
[15:57] AJ Brooks: they need to design their dorm room to illustserate what they had learned about social issues over the semeter
[15:58] Zotarah Shepherd: That is so cool AJ
[15:58] Arielion Clawtooth: Interesting.
[15:58] AJ Brooks: i required them to join some gropu san make some friends. it was one of the lead up exercises
[15:58] Mercury Barnes: Yeah, nice use AJ, leveraging the social.
[15:58] AJ Brooks: they really imporesed me. impressed. i also did some research on my own and gave them a folder of LMs of places to visit. then we came back to gether and they talked about their trek in the big bad SL world
[15:59] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: that's key--a LM list with advice
[15:59] AJ Brooks: our library people were stellar, also
[15:59] Mercury Barnes: You didn't go to a Librarian to get this folder (deep poke at Librarians who don't explore and learn the social within SL, sorry).
[15:59] AJ Brooks: they put resrouces into our MSU LIbrary here in SL that would help the studetns with their research :-)
[15:59] Riven Homewood: What is CHSS? Do you have a lm?
[15:59] AJ Brooks: :-P. Our library has fully commited to the SL project
[16:00] Mercury Barnes: Nice.and apolgizes for my rampant cynicism...:)
[16:00] AJ Brooks: they will work with any faculty member and put content into the library to compliment the class work. lol
[16:00] Arielion Clawtooth: That is the challenge I face. My organization is afraid to commit, especially dollars. :)
[16:00] AJ Brooks: although I will admit the librarian didn't help me with the landmarks
[16:01] KarenKate Sands: yes me too!
[16:01] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: how do you win over your librarians?
[16:01] AJ Brooks: well - you need to show them what others are doing
[16:01] Mercury Barnes: :) k, my point (though this Librarian could have...there is one...:)
[16:01] AJ Brooks: it was not hard. one person took the helm
[16:01] Aldrif Avro: I'd think that networking them with other SL librarians might help
[16:01] AJ Brooks: Kadja Halfpint
[16:01] Bluesy Indigo: ummm, joining a library group is a very good way to join forces. even in RL
[16:01] AJ Brooks: I've put them in touch with Lori Bell - they work together
[16:01] Bluesy Indigo: :0
[16:01] Mercury Barnes: No, it's not at all, technically, but, that's not the limiting aspect.
[16:01] AJ Brooks: but we decided to have our own library here insted of Info Island
[16:02] mTea Box: Yeah, stop poking the librarians!
[16:02] Chris2 Gallacher: One idea is to have Googleor New york times send instant messages abt Second Life to your e-mail. Save pertinant ones for administrative meets
[16:02] Bluesy Indigo: or Lab Instructors. :0
[16:02] Arielion Clawtooth: I have been showing them but they are looking for other folks like themselves and the technology is too new to trust. A boss called it "a cartoon"
[16:02] Bluesy Indigo: There are teaching librarians. especially in media centers
[16:02] Ignatius Onomatopoeia sighs....yeah..."a video game"
[16:02] AJ Brooks: as for the quiestion that went by - CHSS is the College of Humanities and Social Sciences - we own this island the one to our north
[16:02] Chris2 Gallacher: Given some of the academic institutions investing I think that will wane
[16:02] Mercury Barnes: Anything "too new," tends to be dismissed.
[16:02] AJ Brooks: all of the learning spaces are on the one to the north
[16:02] KarenKate Sands: or "paperdolls"!
[16:03] AJ Brooks: i men the research, not just the application itself. there is a TON of research out there
[16:03] Mercury Barnes: I agree Chris2, we're through the "wow" phase, into the one where lasting value has to be shown.
[16:03] AJ Brooks: make sure to get a copy of the Sept/Oct issue of EDUCASUE REview
[16:03] Bluesy Indigo: nodding
[16:03] AJ Brooks: the entire issue is dedicated to virtual worlds. they will instantly bring the EDUCASUE name and credibility to virtual worlds. I must admit, I hav an article in the issue. disclaimer. but I know the other authors also - and this issue is going to rock
[16:04] Mercury Barnes: VW's are the future, no question, but the tools and structures needed for day to day teaching, easily, are still being developed (too slowly).
[16:04] Zotarah Shepherd: hehe
[16:04] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: it will take time...but we have 3 classes in world this semester. As with the flat Web, folks will come to see value here.
[16:04] Bluesy Indigo: It would be lovely to start a good bibliographical reference inworld - I believe they become dated quickly
[16:04] Chris2 Gallacher: Another appeal will (eventually ) be the fiscal appeal of offering classes without boundaries... For good or for ill
[16:05] AJ Brooks: well - if peopel try to replace the brick and mortal paradigm with distance ed, it will be for ill
[16:05] Bluesy Indigo: excellent
[16:05] AJ Brooks: DE needs to be a suppliment
[16:05] Mercury Barnes: The SLoodle tool was the first one that faced identity management head-on.
[16:05] AJ Brooks: yup
[16:05] Mercury Barnes: Lots of other "needs" will have to fall to make this a simple place to teach.
[16:05] AJ Brooks: and somethign isbeing worked on with Sakai and the Education Grid
[16:05] Riven Homewood: Has anybody read AJ Tan's post on the Metanomics blog about why 20-somethings don't like sl?. http://www.metanomics.net/07-aug-2008/004-devils-advocate
[16:05] Arielion Clawtooth: Yes, that's the issue we have been discussing. VW are just a tool for DL not an end in themselves.
[16:05] Chris2 Gallacher: I agree AJ, but so many collleges and Univs are so profit motivated that there is a skew towards this type of "savings"
[16:05] AJ Brooks: because it sucks! there is nothign here for them
[16:06] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'd love that--I'm doing research on Millennials & SL
[16:06] Riven Homewood: exactly his point :-)
[16:06] AJ Brooks: the graphics suck. its slow. its also years ahead of its time. so I think folks just need to be patient. SL is a miracle. its amazing it works
[16:06] Mercury Barnes: However, the social is overpowering good, it's the component that can be added easily and usefully (creating a connection between students, and student-faculty is so hard, except here).
[16:06] Zotarah Shepherd: But you cannot build on the ones that have the great graphics like you can here.
[16:06] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: remember Mosaic Graphics in 1994?
[16:06] AJ Brooks: lol. right
[16:07] Mercury Barnes: Agreed AJ -- it is years ahead of it's time.
[16:07] AJ Brooks: in a year from now we won't be having this same conversatino
[16:07] Chris2 Gallacher: My students are confused if they do not have clearly set objectives
[16:07] AJ Brooks: yes. this works when it is event and objective driven
[16:07] Chris2 Gallacher: It isnt trad =itional "Gaming"
[16:07] Riven Homewood: that seems to be a characteristic of millenians
[16:07] Arielion Clawtooth: As we were saying on SLED, it depends on whether you're in the front seat or the back, young or old. SL is a miracle to those of us who are new to the technology. But to youngsters who grew up with more high speed (literally) 3D graphics it can be boring unless they're engaged.
[16:07] AJ Brooks: its not even gaming
[16:07] Bluesy Indigo: or we will need to break down the graphic to determine usage - bah
[16:07] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Chris--that's SO Millennial...they don't like open-ended play
[16:07] AJ Brooks: I disagree Arielion - its NOT the same thing
[16:07] Chris2 Gallacher: o Ive found
[16:08] AJ Brooks: those games are not about being creative. meaning creating things. they are about guilds. and fighting
[16:08] Bluesy Indigo: but they have to do homework, still
[16:08] Chris2 Gallacher: Tru that AJ
[16:08] Bluesy Indigo: lol
[16:08] AJ Brooks: and geting gold
[16:08] Mercury Barnes: It's not gaming, AJ, that's the biggest hurdle for many. When I get them over it, they "get" sl and love me.
[16:08] Bluesy Indigo: or literacy learners
[16:08] Arielion Clawtooth: I meant perception, not action.
[16:08] Bluesy Indigo: smiles. involvement. interaction. participation. students don't see Sl as entertainment
[16:08] AJ Brooks: and it is not
[16:08] Riven Homewood: Mr Tan's points were that he didn't like the open endedness - "too much like real life" - and he didn't like the teacher-student relationship
[16:08] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: clever assignments can get them going...you cannot just toss this generation in and say "explore!"
[16:08] AJ Brooks: except to freaks like me. LOL
[16:08] Arielion Clawtooth: It LOOKS better though ti's literally worlds apart.
[16:09] Bluesy Indigo: accessibility. the big 4
[16:09] AJ Brooks: and things will come together
[16:09] Riven Homewood: and he felt his creativity was compromised by not being about to act just as he wanted, including light friefing
[16:09] Chris2 Gallacher: Riven, in what way did he not like the Student teacher relationship?
[16:09] AJ Brooks: Immersiveeducation.org is doing amazing things. sun is doing cool stuff. I've been hearing rumblings abotu microscrew doing something
[16:09] Bluesy Indigo: yes. lol
[16:09] Chris2 Gallacher: U mean Virtual Earth?
[16:10] AJ Brooks: the google thing is a bust for now, but don't turn your back on Google. no - I heard somethign under waps
[16:10] Mercury Barnes: We'll see the Google thing kind of "died."
[16:10] AJ Brooks: wraps
[16:10] Chris2 Gallacher: Microsofts Virtual Earth>
[16:10] Riven Homewood: He didn't like being put into one - and also the employer-employee relationship at is sl internship
[16:10] Bluesy Indigo: cough, I'll google that. no, classroom usage is still unchartered
[16:10] AJ Brooks: what I heard from M$ was somethign new
[16:10] Riven Homewood: http://www.metanomics.net/07-aug-2008/004-devils-advocate
[16:10] Bluesy Indigo: that's where we skip a beat
[16:10] mTea Box: MS Virtual Earth is more 3D map-like
[16:11] AJ Brooks: yes - I heard they were secreatly working on something new. but keep your eye on google. they ahve SOMETHIng up their sleeve
[16:11] Riven Homewood: Google always has something up their sleeve :-)
[16:11] AJ Brooks: lol - right - and its usually gold
[16:11] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: More worlds are emerging--Q is, will they support much resident-created content? That's the magic here
[16:11] AJ Brooks: i am a google head. I love ALL of their products. although I never tried Lively since I'm a mac user. and refused to use a pC just to tyr it
[16:12] Ignatius Onomatopoeia is a Mac fanatic--I hear ya
[16:12] AJ Brooks: portability is the key word to look for. when you can bring somethign from one place to the next - that swhen being a gridnaut will matter
[16:12] Bluesy Indigo: And, how that interacts with vendors that feed the machine - cataloging is mind boggling - OCLC can get very messy
[16:13] AJ Brooks nods
[16:13] Marly Milena: Hello. I teach in SL. Isthe discussion over?
[16:13] Arielion Clawtooth: I'm excited about the user interface (intuitive touch screens) that both Apple and MS are coming out with. That promises big dividents for intuitive learning
[16:13] AJ Brooks: no - not over - you're standing in the middle of it. :-) apple just patented a two side touch screen
[16:13] Zotarah Shepherd: We are still talking Marly
[16:13] Marly Milena: Oops, LOL, didnt see anyone at first
[16:13] Bluesy Indigo: whiteboards? its okay
[16:13] AJ Brooks: touch screen like on the iphone
[16:14] Bluesy Indigo: cool
[16:14] Mercury Barnes: Then find a different way BLuesy, this isn't paper information, it's social, and social is a new "LCS" that doesn't exist...:)
[16:14] Bluesy Indigo: or blackberry
[16:14] AJ Brooks: they are working on something also, although not VW I mean
[16:14] Bluesy Indigo: that can sync. yeah
[16:14] AJ Brooks: crackberry's are so business
[16:14] Green Tea (Gyokuro): Mmmhh... enjoy the best green tea Damian Stonewall
[16:14] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: having SL just run properly on most students' laptops with a wireless connection would be a great leap forward
[16:14] AJ Brooks: educators need iphones -or on our iphones. lol
[16:15] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: the client is fat now
[16:15] Bluesy Indigo: I don't agree with you entirely Mercury - but, peer and scholarly reviews are still hot - otherwise you are still gaming. I believe
[16:15] AJ Brooks: not for long I hear. they are working on a slim client tied to IM
[16:15] Arielion Clawtooth: Once you go Mac you never go back...at least I won't. :) Newe Iphone and Macbook Pro owner.
[16:15] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: excellent news
[16:15] Mercury Barnes: The intelligence here is in the people, in game, that know what you want.
[16:15] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I was going to use Onrez but all the help stuff is written for the LL client
[16:15] AJ Brooks: yes - they trademarked the slIM name (or is it SLim) and they are working on something
[16:15] Mercury Barnes: Business is conducted differently, as I've had to explain to several the last week.
[16:16] AJ Brooks: what makes SL different is, not doubt, the community. HOWEVER. peopel flocked from Activeworlds to SL when it came along
[16:16] Mercury Barnes: "Social groups," is ill-defined, and difficult to define anyway, but it is the "value" that this interface adds.
[16:16] AJ Brooks: flocked! and they will do the same if somethign better then AL comes along. and then the community will be there. we ARE a cooomunity - we just happen to all be at this party at the moment
[16:17] Mercury Barnes: In many cases, the intelligence and understanding -- what you need to solve the problem, is the entire social team, not just an individual.
[16:17] AJ Brooks: i'm dong two sessions in Tampa on community. if you are coming to SLEDcc, check them out
[16:17] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: true--and that holds back much IT support--will our builds be worthless when a standard emerges?
[16:17] Bluesy Indigo: ummm, the hook unless it is structured in a blended - lifelong learners can be a F2F visually, virtually and translations are getting better
[16:17] AJ Brooks: oh - for those who are coming, I hope to have a SL Education Rountable meet up
[16:17] Bluesy Indigo: interesting. I'm in Tampa
[16:17] Mercury Barnes: Finding ways to "catalogue teams," is the elusive part -- as often the knowledge only flows when the "team" is together.
[16:17] Bluesy Indigo: lol. content
[16:17] Zotarah Shepherd: So much is built here and so much invested here I hope the new thing would allow transportation from SL the theirs
[16:18] Bluesy Indigo: matters
[16:18] AJ Brooks: have you heard about CLEDcc. SLEDcc
[16:18] Bluesy Indigo: otherwise you are on SLEDDING hill. so to speak and at risk. goodness. maybe the idea of teams and networking
[16:19] AJ Brooks: content matter - but at some point eh tool (read: technology )actually chgnes the way we interact with the content
[16:19] Bluesy Indigo: is confusing
[16:19] AJ Brooks: so they can't be separated
[16:19] Bluesy Indigo: content comes first. you said. then the tool
[16:19] AJ Brooks: chicken and egg
[16:19] Bluesy Indigo: the tool changes rapidly
[16:19] Mercury Barnes: Got you thinking....:)
[16:19] Bluesy Indigo: the foundations of teaching do not. as such
[16:19] Marly Milena: My work here is based on creative collaborations of all sorts
[16:19] AJ Brooks: oh - of course they do!
[16:19] Bluesy Indigo: cool
[16:19] AJ Brooks: of course the foundatinos of teching change!
[16:20] Bluesy Indigo: yes and no. dynamic
[16:20] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: right--writing pedagogy will always emphasize collaboration & process, whatever the medium
[16:20] Bluesy Indigo: is the word you are searching. yes
[16:21] AJ Brooks: well - we have about 10 monutes left - although folks are welcome to stay until they need to leave. Just a reminder that we meet here each week from 3:30pm to 4:30pm. who else here as taught in SL?
[16:22] Mercury Barnes: the Librarians will quiet down as we shift back to the topic at hand (nice, thanks everyone).
[16:22] Brenton Landar: has anybody used Sl to suplement a LMS distant Ed class?
[16:22] Bluesy Indigo: lol
[16:22] mTea Box: I haven't taught formally; but I've trained.
[16:22] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: 2 classes--and one this semester (lit and writing)
[16:22] Marly Milena: I would like to ask if anyone knows an animator who has developed full body emotional expressions with facial expressions
[16:22] Bluesy Indigo: involved
[16:22] KarenKate Sands: I've had some groups of faculty here -- about 30 total so far... just a couple times..
[16:22] Bluesy Indigo: yes
[16:22] Zemira Letov: I've only done one small presentation... I do have a studetn practice group that meets here monthly
[16:22] Chris2 Gallacher: I've held five classes here
[16:22] Zotarah Shepherd: Well Life-skills not acredited or core subjects.
[16:22] Bluesy Indigo: the ALA always has something up their sleeve
[16:22] Marly Milena: Is this just for people who teach in this sim?
[16:22] Bluesy Indigo: smiles
[16:22] AJ Brooks: i'd argue that teaching is teaching
[16:23] Zotarah Shepherd: Anywhere in SL
[16:23] Bluesy Indigo: regarding research, learning. and SL. still
[16:23] AJ Brooks: I don't understand, Marly
[16:23] Bluesy Indigo: the group. AJ
[16:23] Zotarah Shepherd: I hope to learn more ways to teach in SL too.
[16:23] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Marly, we are from all over
[16:23] Bluesy Indigo: no I don't think so. or I would not be here
[16:23] Marly Milena: Ah, ok. I am doing experimental collaborations combining arts processes, psychology and mythmaking
[16:23] AJ Brooks: is this discussion group only for peopel who tecah on this sim? no. not at all
[16:23] mTea Box: I mentioned in an earlier meeting that there is a woman who does full body emotional presentations --- I guess that's what you'd call it. Rivenwood, remember that Irish woman who presented in the UIUC seminar?
[16:23] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: My school has its island but the students go everywhere in the metaverse
[16:23] Zotarah Shepherd: Wow Marly great!
[16:24] AJ Brooks: Marly - tell us more
[16:24] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: cool idea Marly
[16:24] Marly Milena: Thanks. Thisformat is difficult because there are usually at least three conversations going onat once. LOL
[16:24] Riven Homewood: I must have missed that one, mTea - sorry
[16:24] Zotarah Shepherd: haha yes
[16:24] KarenKate Sands: I have a hud that I'm not sure the name of that makes facial expressions -- but will check it out and let you know, mTea.
[16:24] Carrilin Heliosense: yes do, i'm looking for arts and history non-credit models
[16:24] AJ Brooks: well - I try to keep things on one path
[16:24] Marly Milena: Please look at my profile if you are interested
[16:25] AJ Brooks: mysstitool does facial expressions. Marly, why don't you tell us a bit about what you are doing
[16:25] Riven Homewood: Mystitool has facial expressions - but they are pretty crude
[16:25] AJ Brooks: we can look at your profile later :-)
[16:25] Marly Milena: OK, well, the project I am currently working on is...
[16:25] Zotarah Shepherd: Do you have land for your work Marly?
[16:25] Bluesy Indigo: please let her speak
[16:26] Marly Milena: with a storyteller/archetypal myth person and a kinetic sculpture person andI am a Gestaltist and a dozen other things
[16:26] AJ Brooks: remember - sometimes there is chat lag with some folks
[16:26] Marly Milena: We are designing a workshop in which people create structures/textures that represent emotional states
[16:26] AJ Brooks: wow
[16:26] Riven Homewood: cool
[16:26] Zotarah Shepherd: wow!
[16:26] Bluesy Indigo: there is a RL example Marly - excellent - sorry 'bout lag. very cool
[16:27] Carrilin Heliosense: strictly in sl marly?
[16:27] Marly Milena: Adding hover scripts, poses, going inside each other's structures. Saying what feelings are elicited. This is an sl project; however, I have spent my life doing creative work of many sorts
[16:27] AJ Brooks: nice - what is the lerning objective
[16:27] Bluesy Indigo: sounds like a study
[16:27] Riven Homewood: are you collecting what they say somehow?
[16:27] JeanClaude Vollmar: I have a free HUD if you want to try it.
[16:27] Zotarah Shepherd: Awesome Marly
[16:27] Bluesy Indigo: more than a project
[16:28] Riven Homewood: I'd like a copy please, JeanClaude
[16:28] Marly Milena: My objective is to see how we can do collaborative projects using different peoples
[16:28] Dr Xue: me, too, if possible
[16:28] AJ Brooks nods
[16:28] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Au talked in his book Making of SL, about a build in SL like that to simulate schizophrenia
[16:28] KarenKate Sands: i have a few emoter HUD's too, that I can give to anyone
[16:28] AJ Brooks: its awesome! I've been there
[16:28] Marly Milena: expertise to help people investigate their psyches and community building
[16:28] Dr Xue: thank you
[16:28] Riven Homewood: may I please have one Ms Sands?
[16:28] AJ Brooks: virtual hallucinations on Sedig
[16:29] Bluesy Indigo: I've read of it - and in video it is sticky - but, I'm cautious
[16:29] AJ Brooks: 26,45,22
[16:29] Riven Homewood: some people find that schizophrenia build very disturbing
[16:29] AJ Brooks: very. very very. but it is amazing!
[16:29] Carrilin Heliosense: yes, definitely disturbing. i was skeptical going in, but impressed
[16:29] Bluesy Indigo: it is not subliminal
[16:29] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Au had nighmares and couldn't sleep for two nights...
[16:29] Bluesy Indigo: that is what I liked. it was educational
[16:29] AJ Brooks: well - ok - I didn't find it THAT distrubing
[16:30] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: lol I already cannot sleep
[16:30] mTea Box: Marly, is there someplace we can go to experience what you're talking about?
[16:30] AJ Brooks: lol
[16:30] Bluesy Indigo: but it could be
[16:30] AJ Brooks: ye, marly -= I'd love to see what the students created
[16:30] Zotarah Shepherd: Do you have a LM Marly?
[16:30] Bluesy Indigo: depending on your own tolerance levels
[16:30] AJ Brooks: if you give it to me I will drop it to the SL Education Roundtable group
[16:30] Bluesy Indigo: yes
[16:30] Zotarah Shepherd: Would the students mind us seeing their work?
[16:30] JeanClaude Vollmar: Does someone have an LM to that one, the schizophrenia place?
[16:30] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'd love to send my students there--thanks AJ
[16:30] Marcus Fiertze: Would anyone have an LM for the schizophrenia build?
[16:30] Bluesy Indigo: cool
[16:30] AJ Brooks: I do JC. im me - will send it when meeting over
[16:31] Zotarah Shepherd: I have not been there in a long time
[16:31] AJ Brooks: anyone who wants the hallucination LM - IM me - I'll send it once the meeting is over
[16:31] Bluesy Indigo: lol
[16:31] Zemira Letov: AJ to the group please, the schio landmark
[16:31] Bluesy Indigo: that's funny
[16:31] AJ Brooks: ok - will drop to the group
[16:31] Bluesy Indigo: I have some plaid acid. to go with. it has animation. giggles
[16:31] AJ Brooks shakes head
[16:31] AJ Brooks: lol
[16:31] Bluesy Indigo: lol
[16:32] AJ Brooks: well - fokls - our time is up. for those who need to lave. although you are welcome to stay. I usually hang out
[16:32] mTea Box: Which way to those student dorms, AJ?
[16:32] AJ Brooks: hope to see you all again next week
[16:32] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: this was great--will be back
[16:32] Ignatius Onomatopoeia wonders--if we have alts, are we suffering multiple-personality disorder??
[16:32] Zotarah Shepherd: An hour never seems like enough AJ. *smiles*
[16:32] AJ Brooks: ah - turn on your mini map
[16:32] Bluesy Indigo: Applause!!
[16:32] AJ Brooks: and head north
[16:32] Zemira Letov: oh, AJ, which group are you dropping inventory to?
[16:32] Ignatius Onomatopoeia claps furiously and poofs
[16:32] Michele Mrigesh: Very interesting, thank you
[16:32] AJ Brooks: the northwest corner of MONTCLAIR STATE CHSS
[16:32] Michele Mrigesh: Applauds!
[16:33] mTea Box: Thanks
[16:33] AJ Brooks: SL EDUCATION ROUNDTABLE. I'll drop the hallucination LM
[16:33] Arielion Clawtooth: Good meetng. Thanks. Hey, we were here from one day to the next, too! :)
[16:33] Riven Homewood thanks the group and poofs
[16:33] Zotarah Shepherd: Thank you AJ and everyone. Great discussion.
[16:33] JeanClaude Vollmar: Yes, thanks! See you all next week.
[16:33] AJ Brooks: lol - yes - 4 hours days in SL
[16:33] Arielion Clawtooth: Al, one question. Are the areas here free for others to use or is there a charge or ??
[16:34] Marly Milena: For those who are interested, my group is ANGELGATE INTENTIONAL GROWTH. And my place is Octagon for Creative Exploration. Come visit
[16:34] AJ Brooks: this island, Montclari STate CHSSSouth has a free land initiative - the notecards can be found outside the amphithetater at the bottom of the stairs
[16:34] Carrilin Heliosense: thanks AJ, and everyone else!
[16:34] Dr Xue: good session. thank you all...
[16:34] AJ Brooks: at the moment we are on a wait list
[16:34] Arielion Clawtooth: Thanks.
[16:34] AJ Brooks: sure thing
[16:35] Zotarah Shepherd: What sim is it and what part Marly?
[16:35] AJ Brooks: thanks everyone
[16:35] Marcus Fiertze: Sorry to interrupt, but could anyone offer guidance on where i could get information on starting an institional presense in SL ?
[16:35] Zotarah Shepherd: I need a whole sim for my project.
[16:35] AJ Brooks: marcus, what do you mean?
[16:36] Zotarah Shepherd: I can help you Marcus. I have some notecards about that
[16:36] Marcus Fiertze: One of the college at my institution is applying for a grant to create a center here in SL
[16:36] AJ Brooks: ah - thats easy then. http://www.secondlife.com
[16:36] Zotarah Shepherd: Great Marcus!
[16:36] Marcus Fiertze: it would have partners like the local hospital and other groups
[16:36] Marly Milena: Sorry, IMing someone. The sim is Angel Gate
[16:36] AJ Brooks: and follow the link to EDUCATION. it explains how to get an island. the discounts. all one needs to do is prove education status. its really quite simple
[16:37] Zotarah Shepherd: Thanks Marly
[16:37] Marcus Fiertze: we're totally new...so we're looing for information like: building a campus, technology for presentations & meetings, etc.
[16:37] AJ Brooks: you may want to seek out NMC. they rent island space and provide some of those services
[16:37] Zotarah Shepherd: I am creating a non-profit so I can get a educational sim.
[16:37] Trinity Coulter: many things are free, Marcus, or inexpensive
[16:37] AJ Brooks: new media consortium
[16:37] Zotarah Shepherd: NMC is expensive
[16:37] Marcus Fiertze: Okay.
[16:38] AJ Brooks: except when you don't know what you don't know. they are a good guiding force
[16:38] Zotarah Shepherd: True they are very helpful.
[16:38] AJ Brooks: you get what you pay for. we see thigns as so free becasue we are incluturated
[16:38] Trinity Coulter: Clever Zebra is a good example of good and free
[16:38] AJ Brooks: but with no preivous knowledge
[16:39] Marcus Fiertze: i have been playing aorund in sl, so i can do some things, but, there is some interest in building a nursing simulator...and that would be way beyond my capacity. :-)
[16:39] AJ Brooks: this is hard stuff. clever zebra provided this amphitheater
[16:39] Trinity Coulter: Clever Zebra made this auditorium we are standing in
[16:39] AJ Brooks: and the Huge Bldg. yup - and they make setting them up very easy
[16:39] Marcus Fiertze: Great. Thank you all for your valuable guidance.
[16:39] Zotarah Shepherd: Have you been to HealthInfo Island and seen their nursing builds?
[16:39] AJ Brooks: I was able to customize it A LOT! join some groups. join the SLED email list. but be prepared for a ton of email. there are over 5000 educators on that list
[16:39] Zotarah Shepherd: I actually think they could do better though.
[16:40] Marcus Fiertze: is that by the university of washington Zotarah?
[16:40] Zotarah Shepherd: Also join ISTE
[16:40] AJ Brooks: yes - although ISTE is very K-12 oriented
[16:40] Marcus Fiertze: Yes, i've joined iste, and several other groups..
[16:40] AJ Brooks: but a gret deal of info
[16:40] Marly Milena: Did someone give me the name of a full body animator?
[16:40] Zotarah Shepherd: I am not sure Marcus. It has been a while since I have been there. Little booths with posters?
[16:41] Marly Milena: Maybe someone who has worked with theatre people?
[16:41] Zotarah Shepherd: Might have to get an animator to script the specific animations you need.
[16:41] Marly Milena: Yes, I am looking for the right person
[16:41] AJ Brooks: open local c hat and scroll back
[16:41] Zotarah Shepherd: Yep I have worked with theater and had to work around animations we didn't have.
[16:42] AJ Brooks: phone - brb
[16:42] Marly Milena: Ah, Zotarah, canwe talk later?
[16:42] Zotarah Shepherd: I could not afford what good animators wanted. Sure Marly