SL Education Roundtable - Montclair State Islands
Tuesday,August 5th, 2008
Open Forum

[15:22] Terran Timeless: hi Zo!
[15:22] Aldrif Avro: I danced on the table last week in front of everyone!
[15:22] Zotarah Shepherd: Hello AJ
[15:22] AJ Brooks: hi everyone
[15:22] Zotarah Shepherd: Hello Maggie
[15:22] Aldrif Avro: Hi!
[15:22] Terran Timeless: Hi AJ
[15:22] AJ Brooks: miraculously here from Brasil!
[15:22] Zotarah Shepherd: Yay. Hello Jeremy
[15:22] Jeremy Braver: Hey Zotarah
[15:22] Zotarah Shepherd: Hi Movies
[15:22] Philled Graves: as in your in Brasil?
[15:22] AJ Brooks: i´m not sure how well connected I am so I may pop in and out
[15:23] Aldrif Avro: We'll understand
[15:23] AJ Brooks: i am in sao paulo, brasil at the m,oment
[15:23] Jeremy Braver: I like the new update that has those lights there until avis rez
[15:23] Philled Graves: the casper effect
[15:23] AJ Brooks: yes - the cloud - its cool - much better than ruth
[15:23] Jeremy Braver: looks very Star Trek, teleportation
[15:23] AJ Brooks: maggie!!!
[15:23] Zotarah Shepherd: hehe
[15:23] Maggie Marat: Buenos Noches AJ
[15:23] Jeremy Braver: Now all we neeed is that cheesy sound. Hey maggie
[15:24] Maggie Marat: Hey Foxman!
[15:24] AJ Brooks: boa noite, meu amor
[15:24] Jeremy Braver: How's that Mac laptop, my dear?
[15:24] Zotarah Shepherd looks in sound files.
[15:24] AJ Brooks: we need to talk at some point - before you guys get back into school
[15:24] Maggie Marat: better believe it or not
[15:24] Jeremy Braver: good to hear. Hey AJ
[15:24] Maggie Marat: AFK
[15:24] AJ Brooks: yesssss
[15:25] Jeremy Braver: just saying hey
[15:25] AJ Brooks: oh - HEY! :-)
[15:25] Jeremy Braver: Hey AJ, not Hey, AJ, lol
[15:25] AJ Brooks: this keyboard is different - so you may see some odd characters from time to time. lol -
[15:25] Jeremy Braver: Nice feline av Teyah
[15:26] AJ Brooks: it´ll be intersting to see how many folks show up today - since I didn´t get to send out my regular emails - just group notices and only a few minutes ago
[15:26] Jeremy Braver: always good to see another furry Educator
[15:26] Aldrif Avro: We should be programmed by now, AJ..
[15:26] Terran Timeless: my google SLED calendar dinged
[15:26] AJ Brooks: lol
[15:26] Jeremy Braver: poor Movies, still hasn't rezzed on my end
[15:27] Southern Georgia: well hello folks
[15:27] Jeremy Braver: maybe those dilithium crystals are shot again!!!!
[15:27] Southern Georgia: what have i missed
[15:27] Fiona Wobbit: Hello!
[15:27] Southern Georgia: AJ always good to see ya
[15:27] Philled Graves: still stting around saying hey Southern
[15:27] Bjorlyn Loon: hello
[15:27] AJ Brooks: Hey Southern, hows the Mall coming:
[15:27] Southern Georgia: lol. BJ
[15:28] Bjorlyn Loon: lol, sorry, cat on Keyboard.... guess she was annoyed!
[15:28] Southern Georgia: the mall is getting about 30 - 40 hits a day on average
[15:28] AJ Brooks: lol
[15:28] Terran Timeless: Teyah?
[15:28] AJ Brooks: thats great
[15:28] Southern Georgia: thank ya'll for supporting the effort
[15:28] Jeremy Braver: so, open forum tonight, huh, AJ?
[15:28] AJ Brooks: i think the ownership allows you to list it in search, too - but that does cost you $30L per week
[15:29] Southern Georgia: yes but the vision is for educators only
[15:29] AJ Brooks: yup - open forum - we´ll get started in about 3 or 4 minutes. give the late comers time to show up. `:-)
[15:29] Zotarah Shepherd: Hello Bjorlyn
[15:29] Jeremy Braver: cool, no rush, just clarifying
[15:29] Philled Graves: Zage i think one of the seats over here are empty
[15:29] Bjorlyn Loon: hi Zotarah =)
[15:29] AJ Brooks: the mysti tool is good like that. there should always be one empty seat. mystitool rezzer table I meant to say
[15:30] Southern Georgia: do we have residents here
[15:30] AJ Brooks: i am totally lag-o-rama on my end - which is expected, ~´pm just glad I´m connected
[15:30] Zotarah Shepherd: Movies is invisible to me.
[15:31] Philled Graves: Movies is invisible to all think, just the casper cloud
[15:31] AJ Brooks: i see him
[15:31] JeanClaude Vollmar: hello everyone.
[15:31] Zotarah Shepherd: Hello JeanClaude
[15:32] Jeremy Braver: so, AJ, does the table get bigger as it adds chairs?
[15:32] Cathrin Laville: hello
[15:32] AJ Brooks: no - i have to make it bigger and smaller
[15:32] Zotarah Shepherd: I told the InfoLit people about the discussion and gave them landmarks.
[15:32] Jeremy Braver: ah
[15:32] AJ Brooks: chairs seem to be an issue - I may try to fix that
[15:32] AJ Brooks: hang on to your hats everyone
[15:33] MystiTool DynaTable: Attempting to fix chair positions. One moment, please. All chairs should now be moving into correct positions.
[15:33] Terran Timeless: wo
[15:33] Southern Georgia: whoo hoo
[15:33] Zotarah Shepherd: whoooo
[15:33] JeanClaude Vollmar: LOL, that was cool
[15:33] Jeremy Braver: hey, someone stepped on my tail
[15:33] Philled Graves: lol
[15:33] AJ Brooks: E ticket everyone - thank you
[15:33] Philled Graves: when the music stops grab a seat. wait, there is no music
[15:33] Zotarah Shepherd: We just come for the cool chair ride AJ.
[15:34] Jeremy Braver: Hey Philled, love the name. I have a friend in RL whose name is Justin Graves
[15:34] Philled Graves: tx
[15:35] AJ Brooks: Hi everyone, and welcome.
[15:35] Philled Graves: tried to get Diggger Graves but it was taken
[15:35] Jeremy Braver: most of the good ones are taken, huh?
[15:35] AJ Brooks: This is the SL Education Roundtable. We meet here each week at 3:30pm SLT for an hour. Sometimes we have a topic, sometimes its an open forum. Tonight is an Open Forum. A few announcements, before we get started. If you have Mystitool on, or other similiar tool, please put it to sleep. :-)
[15:35] Jeremy Braver: are we using voice or just text, AJ?
[15:35] Gwenette Writer: we need available chair in bright red heheh
[15:35] AJ Brooks: I'd like to remind everyone that, at the request of some folks who attend regularily, we now have a group. The group name is SL EDUCATION ROUNDTABLE. Please join. text only
[15:36] Jeremy Braver: k, thx
[15:36] AJ Brooks: If you have problems finding it in search, IM me and I will send you an invite sometime after this meeing but before I log for the night.
[15:36] Gwenette Writer: sl or subscription?
[15:36] AJ Brooks: As the group grows, there will be announcements and such that will be exclusive to the group. I'm also open for ideas of what can bring value to the group. If you have an idea for a future meeting, please drop me a notecard with that idea (sometimes my IMs get capped). Past meeting chat transcripts can be found in The HUGE Bldg, just outside the Amphitheater. Enter the door that runs along the canal and make a left. Lastly, please feel free to wander around the island - tonight after the meeting or come back any time. we're currently up to 21 residents, most of whom have been very active in getting their areas going. Many are Montclair State faculty or staff, but the others have taken advantage of the CHSSSouth Free Land Initiative. For more information on that, see one of the notegivers at the bottom of the outside stairs. We'll start our meeting as we usually do. Please introduce yourself. Tell us who you are, where you are from, and what you do. No need to wait for others to type - go ahead and enter your information right away, we can all catch up in chat history. I am AJ Kelton, I'm the Director of Emerging Instructional Technology for the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University. We're located in northern New Jersey, just six miles from midtown Manhattan.
[15:38] Grinn Pidgeon: Barbara Pittman, instructional technologist, looking for work
[15:38] AJ Brooks: come on everyone - no need to be shy. :-)
[15:38] Southern Georgia: you can call me SG for short. i am a public school teacher of mathematics and i have the freebee mall
[15:38] Fiona Wobbit: Susannah Reiser, Instructional Designer
[15:38] Maggie Marat: I'm Peggy Sheehy-Guardian of Ramapo ISlands on Teen Grid
[15:38] JeanClaude Vollmar: I'm JC (Jeff Le Blanc) and am from the Univ of Northwestern Ohio. I'm the VP for IT there.
[15:38] Gwenette Writer: Gwenette Writer Sinclair sl developer
[15:38] Jeremy Braver: Jeremy Koester, gamer, Virtual World Developer, resident edufox
[15:39] Gwenette Writer: Kennesaw Stae University Georgia
[15:39] Lette Ponnier: Lea Popielinski, a grad student in Women's Studies at Ohio State
[15:39] Cathrin Laville: I am Birgit Sattler from Germany, teaching Geography at the University Duisburg-Essen
[15:39] AJ Brooks: edufox! lol
[15:39] Teyah Nightfire: Janice Johnson, Assistant Professor, E-commerce/Web Design, Shawnee State Univ, Ohio
[15:39] kawaiietlyplease Yohkoh: Instructional Designer for USC's Institute for Multimedia Literacy
[15:39] Jeremy Braver: thx for the laugh, AJ
[15:39] Regi Vollmar: i have a phd in engineering, but now i teach graphic and web design and screenplay writing too
[15:39] Terran Timeless: Michael Galvin, ULife, George Mason U
[15:39] AJ Brooks: who else
[15:39] Zotarah Shepherd: I am a MA in Education (technology and psychology) student at Sonoma State University in northern California working an a curriculum thesis project: Teaching and Learning Life-Skills in Second Life. And I am looking for a way to buy an educational sim for my MA thesis project. LL won't allow unless we are employees of a school or a non-profit and I am neither.
[15:40] Zotarah Shepherd: : (
[15:40] AJ Brooks: anyone else care to chime in with their info?
[15:40] Philled Graves: Rick Shaw, Director of Technology for Ventura College
[15:40] Plato Pizzicato: its my rez-day today :)
[15:40] AJ Brooks: please forgive my lag - and an occiassion odd character
[15:40] Jeremy Braver: I'm also an actor and stand up comedian
[15:40] Philled Graves: happy rez day Plato
[15:40] Fiona Wobbit: Happy Rez Day!
[15:40] Aldrif Avro: Susan Penner, School of Nursing, University of San Francisco, I teach the boring stuff like health care financial management
[15:40] AJ Brooks: IO´m in Sao Paulo Brasil and working ona local keyboard. HAPPY REZDAY
[15:40] Plato Pizzicato: no expensive gifts , please :)
[15:41] AJ Brooks: no worries. lol
[15:41] Philled Graves: you can have a VEntura College T-shirt!
[15:41] Zage Farman: Frederic EmamZade DDirector of FUNGLODE - Fundacion Global Democracia y Desarrollo form DOminincan Republic
[15:41] AJ Brooks: in any size you want!
[15:41] Maggie Marat: WHoot HAPPY reZDAY!
[15:41] Philled Graves: yepper!
[15:41] Zotarah Shepherd: Happy Rez Day!
[15:41] AJ Brooks: welcome to our firs guest from the Domincan Republic!
[15:41] Philled Graves: made it myself
[15:41] Plato Pizzicato: I am a faculty member at Penn State, camopus near Philly, teach comp sci and engineering
[15:42] AJ Brooks: more Northeast in da house!
[15:42] Zage Farman: errr have been here before 4 times
[15:42] Philled Graves: LOL
[15:42] AJ Brooks: lol. oh - nevermind
[15:42] Terran Timeless: everyone sing!
[15:42] Plato Pizzicato: haha..someone sent me a cake...thanks :)
[15:42] Jeremy Braver: Happy Birthday on three
[15:42] AJ Brooks: welcome anyway
[15:42] Zage Farman: its ok
[15:42] Bjorlyn Loon: Lynn Cullens, Director of Communications, Metanomics. Recently did a wonderful event with ISTE, Maggie Marat, Pathfinder Linden, and Kathy Dryburgh, info on that at
[15:42] Philled Graves: lol
[15:42] Gwenette Writer: HBD 2U HBD 2 U Hbd HBD hbd 2u
[15:42] AJ Brooks: Gwen - I lOVE it
[15:42] Maggie Marat: HBD 2U HBD 2 U Hbd HBD hbd 2uHBD 2U HBD 2 U Hbd HBD hbd 2uHBD 2U HBD 2 U Hbd HBD hbd 2uHBD 2U HBD 2 U Hbd HBD hbd 2u
[15:42] Jeremy Braver: nice, Gwen
[15:42] Gwenette Writer: and many mooooooooorrrrrrreeee
[15:43] Terran Timeless: ~Smiles~
[15:43] AJ Brooks: now time for the spanks
[15:43] Gwenette Writer: :)
[15:43] Plato Pizzicato: thank you everyone
[15:43] Jeremy Braver: hahahahahahaha
[15:43] AJ Brooks: ok - so]. tonight is an open forum. who wants to get us started - oih wait. I will. go to SLCC
[15:43] Jeremy Braver: this is probably your first educational roundtable spanking, huh, Plato?
[15:43] Philled Graves: lol
[15:43] AJ Brooks: either in Tampa or here in World. it promises to be a gret event
[15:43] Jeremy Braver: Can I drop a plug for SLEdCC?
[15:44] AJ Brooks: I know Maggie will be there, right:
[15:44] Maggie Marat: yep
[15:44] AJ Brooks: And Jeremy. right: opps ?
[15:44] Jeremy Braver: My team and I are working on some really fun games. in world and on location
[15:44] AJ Brooks: and I´pll be there
[15:44] Fiona Wobbit: I signed up to volunteer but haven't heard anything about it. in-world
[15:44] Bjorlyn Loon: we just met with Kittygloom Jeremy, and you may be having your games on our new Metanomics island =)
[15:45] Jeremy Braver: stay tuned on SLED, RezEd or GaLiSL to stay informed
[15:45] Maggie Marat: Fiona - Contact Fleep Tuque
[15:45] Jeremy Braver: oh, good to hear BJ!!!
[15:45] Fiona Wobbit: Ok
[15:45] Jeremy Braver: I'm always up for working on new games
[15:45] AJ Brooks: I´ll be there
[15:45] Bjorlyn Loon: 10,000 prims free =)
[15:45] Jeremy Braver: and playing my old favs
[15:45] AJ Brooks: and we are going to do an SL Education Roundtable Meet up I hope
[15:45] Jeremy Braver: nice. I usually do very light prim work. Social Gaming is my montra. more design heavy
[15:46] AJ Brooks: anyone else here going to SLEDcc:
[15:46] Jeremy Braver: I'll be there
[15:46] AJ Brooks: no? just me maggie and jeremy?
[15:46] Bjorlyn Loon: I will be there, Metanomics is major sponsor for SLEDcc with ISTE
[15:46] kawaiietlyplease Yohkoh: I am planning on it.
[15:46] AJ Brooks: yeah!!!!
[15:46] Jeremy Braver: sweet
[15:46] Philled Graves: i'm still trying to get funding for both SLCC and Educause
[15:46] AJ Brooks: yay
[15:46] Jeremy Braver: looking forward to playing with all of you. ur gonna love the on location game that I came up with
[15:47] AJ Brooks: educause is going to be wild this year - virtual world stuff all over the place
[15:47] Fiona Wobbit: Is social gaming like alternate reality or mobile gaming?
[15:47] Terran Timeless: goood question
[15:47] Jeremy Braver: well, it could be both, Fiona
[15:47] Maggie Marat: I am facilitating a Working Group to which youare all invited: info at
[15:47] AJ Brooks: i´m doing 6 things just on virtual worlds
[15:47] Bjorlyn Loon: we are looking for a couple of volunteers at SLCC, and have a free registration for them
[15:47] Jeremy Braver: I haven't heard anyone else coin the term yet
[15:47] Bjorlyn Loon: hope you dont mind my mentioning that
[15:47] Fiona Wobbit: I guess you just did
[15:48] Jeremy Braver: hahaha
[15:48] Maggie Marat: Hey - it's all about VW education!
[15:48] Jeremy Braver: its nice to be in a room with so many like minded peeps. I think we should have a group hug
[15:48] AJ Brooks: I can tell you quite honestly - SLCC last year changed everything for me
[15:49] Jeremy Braver: totally kidding
[15:49] Philled Graves: nice to be in the same room with minded people, never ind like
[15:49] AJ Brooks: lol
[15:49] Philled Graves: mind=ind
[15:49] Jeremy Braver: talking with too many bots lately, Philled?
[15:49] AJ Brooks: ok - enough plugs for one night
[15:49] Maggie Marat: hehe
[15:49] Zotarah Shepherd: I have a group hug ring for SL while you do one in RL. <grins>
[15:49] AJ Brooks: anyone have a topic or issue they~d like to ask or bring up?
[15:49] Dr Xue: yes
[15:49] Aldrif Avro: how to give money to students?
[15:49] Zotarah Shepherd: I need a sim for my project.
[15:49] Dr Xue: if you don't mind
[15:49] Jeremy Braver: I'd like to talk about Gaming and learning in VWs
[15:50] AJ Brooks: ok - one at a time
[15:50] Philled Graves: dealing with too many narrow minded administrators
[15:50] Aldrif Avro: I can wait
[15:50] Dr Xue: who has had experience in teaching a full course in sl
[15:50] Jeremy Braver: mine can wait too
[15:50] Dr Xue: and what were you high and low points?
[15:50] Regi Vollmar: me
[15:50] AJ Brooks: I felt like saying - Dr. Xue, you´re opn the air - go ahead please. lol
[15:50] kawaiietlyplease Yohkoh: eek. gtg. Thank you everyone.
[15:50] Dr Xue: what would you recommend to those of us considering it
[15:51] Bjorlyn Loon: Dr. Xue, course at what level?
[15:51] AJ Brooks: so - you mean entirely and only in SL?
[15:51] Dr Xue: 3rd year/4th year college
[15:51] Regi Vollmar: it's very different from teaching in rl
[15:51] AJ Brooks: upper level higher ed
[15:51] Regi Vollmar: and u need a good technology support. it's better if done in voice too
[15:51] Dr Xue: i am considering using it for a cultural studies course- science, technoogy and culture
[15:51] Bjorlyn Loon: You might talk with Beyers Sellers, Xue, he did a grad level economics course.
[15:51] AJ Brooks: i´m not sure I agree with that one. meaning voice
[15:52] Fiona Wobbit: Are you talking complete VW or hybrid with an LMS?
[15:52] AJ Brooks: i ran into some issue with voice in my class
[15:52] Dr Xue: hybrid
[15:52] AJ Brooks: not the technology - but peopel knowing how and hen to use it. plus I like having a text trranscript of the whole thing
[15:52] Regi Vollmar: depends on the matter too
[15:52] AJ Brooks: and I thnk peopel think more about what they are going to say when they ahve to type it
[15:52] Regi Vollmar: i taught music theory
[15:52] Dr Xue: i'd use it first integrated into a classroom-taught course
[15:53] AJ Brooks: some classes on campus and some in SL
[15:53] Dr Xue: yes
[15:53] AJ Brooks: i did that with my writing lcass last semester
[15:53] Dr Xue: how did it go?
[15:53] AJ Brooks: you have to have a plan for your inworld experience
[15:53] Gwenette Writer: and what Uni in Texas is offering the AAS in virtual worlds? they have slonly courses . . .
[15:53] AJ Brooks: it wennt well - with some bumps
[15:53] Dr Xue: not as yet
[15:53] Jeremy Braver: I took two grad courses in SL and I found the activities that I had to do the most rewarding
[15:53] Dr Xue: i've used blackboard as a lecture aid
[15:54] Fiona Wobbit: I took a grad class in the spring where we met inworld.
[15:54] Dr Xue: but it it so limited. i want my students to explore more
[15:54] AJ Brooks: yes - LMS´s are quite limited
[15:54] Dr Xue: and my experience here
[15:54] Terran Timeless: Sloodle?
[15:54] Fiona Wobbit: We used it more as a meeting and presentation place.
[15:54] Polaris Grayson: I dont think they have the business end ironed out for college classes... I think it will be a great supplement though
[15:54] Dr Xue: has been that i have made many friends across the planet in a very short span of time
[15:54] AJ Brooks: i thin k- fo rme - the most important thing is to have a good plan - and carefully syllabus - and openm communication wht the students. They need to know this is more than agame, that the use of the technology has a pedagogical purpose
[15:55] Plato Pizzicato: i taught a 7-week module for freshmento explore SL last fall, but course also met in RL
[15:55] Gwenette Writer:
[15:55] Fiona Wobbit: good plan is important
[15:55] Dr Xue: well, they all love chatting online and text-messaging
[15:55] AJ Brooks: they all do - when they don´t have to do it for class
[15:55] Dr Xue: so i think this milieu might appeal to them. yep
[15:55] Jeremy Braver: Don't try to combat their texting in world, embrace their tendancy to discuss during lecture
[15:55] AJ Brooks: the minute it becomes a tool fo rcvlass their attitude changes, at first
[15:56] Dr Xue: exactly
[15:56] Plato Pizzicato: my freshmen were very dissatisfied with SL perfomance
[15:56] AJ Brooks: really?
[15:56] Zotarah Shepherd: In what way Plato?
[15:56] Dr Xue: why
[15:56] AJ Brooks: we had a flawless experience - form the SL end - the problem was them having computers that could access it
[15:56] Jeremy Braver: As a gamer, SL sux
[15:56] AJ Brooks: of course
[15:56] Plato Pizzicato: they were not satisfied with low end graphics, lag, crashing, etc
[15:56] Jeremy Braver: if you're here for the game like experience
[15:57] Dr Xue: yes
[15:57] Grinn Pidgeon: This might sound too generalized, but I would suggest creating a strong, complex narrative for the course that suggests problems that need solutions/exploringon many levels that can last an entire semester.
[15:57] Jeremy Braver: SL's power is in the socially created content
[15:57] Terran Timeless: nothing to vanquish?
[15:57] Jeremy Braver: Not necessarily Terran
[15:57] Dr Xue: i agree jeremy
[15:57] Jeremy Braver: just nothing of great value
[15:57] Plato Pizzicato: but they felt it had potential for improving education...we had a focused plan in SL
[15:57] Polaris Grayson: when i train people in sl one of the first question is whats the goal of the game
[15:57] AJ Brooks: well - sl is not a game - in SO many ways
[15:57] Jeremy Braver: the ppl that seem to find value here arethose who find something todo
[15:57] Dr Xue: technically sl is low-end
[15:57] Zotarah Shepherd: With high end graphics you would get lag and fewer options to create.
[15:58] Dr Xue: but socially, it is magnificent
[15:58] Jeremy Braver: some sort of way to be involved in a bigger ideal. which in a way is what games do. get ppl immersed in a narrative
[15:58] Terran Timeless: interesting, a quest
[15:58] Jeremy Braver: talk about volitional motivation
[15:58] Regi Vollmar: and u can be online also by mobile now
[15:58] Jeremy Braver: right, most kids do that too Regi
[15:58] AJ Brooks: ack
[15:58] Plato Pizzicato: also, they do not have established social contacts like they do in takes time
[15:59] Dr Xue: i am considering recruiting mentors from different fields, and in different countries, to work with select students on special projects, and see how that goes
[15:59] Polaris Grayson: there should be a prep class before you enter for class, maybe using skype or the like to set their mind set
[15:59] Dr Xue: yes. all you can do in a semester is to introduce them to it
[15:59] Jeremy Braver: I taught middle school for 8 yrs and found that kids almost always went straight for the multiplayer even though it had less quality graphics and play than the campaign portion
[15:59] Aldrif Avro: something I wonder is that for those who've taught a course in SL--did you meet in-world as a class, or send students out to do projects on their own, or both?
[16:00] AJ Brooks: both
[16:00] Dr Xue: but several students from this particular course have suggested sl might be useful
[16:00] AJ Brooks: mostly as a group - and did in-world assignemtns, then hadf them come back and report
[16:00] Dr Xue: who else has used it
[16:00] AJ Brooks: what is the contetn Dr. X. *content
[16:00] Dr Xue: i teach them about reality. lol
[16:01] Plato Pizzicato: both.and also went inworld with students during RL lab time
[16:01] AJ Brooks: :-) what department does that fall under?
[16:01] Dr Xue: and the use of the scientific method to expore it. in a variety of fields. testing beliefs
[16:01] Terran Timeless: buridan Simon has a lot to say about ethnographic exploration/discovery
[16:02] AJ Brooks: what I´pm getting at is - what course is this for
[16:02] Dr Xue: cultural studies. brb 2 min
[16:02] AJ Brooks: interesting
[16:02] Plato Pizzicato: info science: technology and society course for me
[16:03] AJ Brooks: Aldfrif asked about getting money to students
[16:03] AJ Brooks: tha comes up every couple of months. anyoen want to take a crack at it:
[16:03] Aldrif Avro: I have some grant money, and would like to give teams a few dollars to get started
[16:04] Terran Timeless: run it through the university declining balance card system
[16:04] Polaris Grayson: are we talking about real or Linden money
[16:04] Plato Pizzicato: students did not need much money..except some small change to upload files and pics
[16:04] AJ Brooks: yup. i gave each of my studetsn 300. L
[16:04] Jeremy Braver: I've heard of just giving students Lindens
[16:04] Aldrif Avro: I don't plan to give them a lot--just wondered what the easiest way is
[16:05] AJ Brooks: used a script to dole it out in 50L increments
[16:05] Polaris Grayson: yes a split script item
[16:05] Plato Pizzicato: yes, i gave lindens to students when they needed it...never exceeded 100 Lindens
[16:05] Aldrif Avro: Sounds good--do I buy the script somewhere?
[16:05] Polaris Grayson: that would work good
[16:05] AJ Brooks: i~m looking for it - its free
[16:05] Dr Xue: ok back.
[16:05] Aldrif Avro: Super! Free is my favorite four-letter word...
[16:05] Polaris Grayson: I have the script if ;you like i think
[16:06] JeanClaude Vollmar grins, "Mine too."
[16:06] Aldrif Avro: Thanks, just send it my way!
[16:06] Dr Xue: part of the course teaches them to evaluate technologies
[16:06] Southern Georgia: did someone say free...bee. hehe
[16:06] Dr Xue: so i don't worry about sl problems
[16:06] Aldrif Avro: BTW, regarding Dr. Xue's question: Suggestion: AJ, how about if people in your group figure out some way to share their syllabi/assignments in SL for others to use as a sort of guide?
[16:06] Polaris Grayson: its on the table
[16:06] Dr Xue: sure
[16:06] Polaris Grayson: just grab a copy
[16:06] AJ Brooks: its called STUDETN PAYER. my copy is no mod no tras. but I think I got it at ICT
[16:07] Dr Xue: ty
[16:07] Money for your Final Projects: You must be in the same group and have your group tag active to use me.
[16:07] Polaris Grayson: you can take the script from it
[16:07] Gwenette Writer: OK well i have to leave folks someone save me the Chat record aloha nui loa 2 u all. See you at the conference:)
[16:07] Philled Graves: okay... who took it?
[16:07] AJ Brooks: the scrip tis no copy no trans. i did
[16:07] Plato Pizzicato: i had each team of students evaluate a how SL is used to enhance education (they picked the course topic)
[16:08] Dr Xue: and?
[16:08] Polaris Grayson: the one in this box has full mods. got it a long time ago
[16:08] AJ Brooks: yup - no mod;no tras
[16:08] Plato Pizzicato: it worked out great..topics picked included medicine, architecture, science, and history. and they did some basic building also
[16:09] AJ Brooks: Thx Polaris
[16:09] Plato Pizzicato: they were required to interview a faculty member using SL
[16:09] Southern Georgia: FYI i plan on presenting basic building skills at the Freebee Mall. there is a sandbox there
[16:09] Polaris Grayson: np... I like free too hehe
[16:09] AJ Brooks: teh STUDENT PAYER script I was talking about is by Eloise Pasteur. yes - Southern runs classes every sunday. his place is right next to the amphitherere here
[16:10] Plato Pizzicato: btw, the students learned to build basic furniture in under 15 minutes :)
[16:10] Polaris Grayson: Let me know about the tutorials AJ
[16:10] Southern Georgia: check with me for tutorials. on various subjects
[16:11] AJ Brooks: right - we can chat more about tha once I´m back from Brasil - after the 15th of the month
[16:11] Polaris Grayson: okies
[16:11] Regi Vollmar: most of courses in sl are on sl
[16:11] AJ Brooks: Jeremy - what were your thoughts on gaming in edu?
[16:11] Regi Vollmar: the possibilities of this workd sre not very much explored
[16:12] Jeremy Braver: Sorry, was on another window
[16:12] AJ Brooks: no worriesa
[16:12] Jeremy Braver: I always wonder why more people don't incorporate more gaming in their edu. Like Maggie
[16:13] AJ Brooks: explain
[16:13] Philled Graves: yes please
[16:13] Aldrif Avro: my reason: I haven't a clue, lol
[16:13] Jeremy Braver: I'm curious about others views of gaming for learning, cause I'm kind of biased
[16:13] Jeremy Braver: do you feel it to be a waste of time, too difficult to design/dev?
[16:14] AJ Brooks: wouldn´t know where to start
[16:14] Aldrif Avro: too difficult--that's why I'm trying SL this semester, I have hope I can utilize it
[16:14] AJ Brooks: wouldn´t know how to apply it to my discipline
[16:14] Southern Georgia: SL provides a more enhanced platform for ed opportunities
[16:14] Jeremy Braver: I know that alot of HE profs have approached me and joined my groups looking for these answers
[16:14] Southern Georgia: especially for students who need interactions
[16:15] Maggie Marat: I think immersing yourself in a gaming culture helps to solidify aplication to content AJ
[16:15] AJ Brooks: i think there is nbo doubt that gaming works in educational settings, but like SL - I think its a tol that fit some circumstances and not others
[16:15] Southern Georgia: they "buy" into the ed experience when they interact more with
[16:15] Jeremy Braver: I'm attempting to develop a more solid rationale behind it's necessity and place in Ed
[16:15] Southern Georgia: peeps
[16:15] Jeremy Braver: Agreed, AJ
[16:15] AJ Brooks: i´m not saying that it doesn´t have a place in any educational setting - I know it does
[16:15] Jeremy Braver: I think so as well Southern
[16:16] Southern Georgia: we have discussed the fact that todays students are. consumers of ed. therefore
[16:16] AJ Brooks: but then again - I don´t have to think of tenure o rpromotion or publication or what my department chair thinks. ]or the provost or president
[16:16] Southern Georgia: we as educators
[16:16] Jeremy Braver: I have found that most intellectuals have a harder time thinking outside the box to get into the specified artistic application that a gaming narrative would require to be significant, would you agree/disagree?
[16:16] Southern Georgia: must sell the experience inorder to
[16:16] Polaris Grayson: education for lower levels ... applications would be good, but not games for higher learning
[16:16] Southern Georgia: make the experience successful
[16:16] Jeremy Braver: yes, again, convincing admin is tough
[16:17] Terran Timeless: soocial media + immersive ed = possible engagement
[16:17] Bjorlyn Loon: I disagree.
[16:17] Aldrif Avro: we didn't grow up with video games--they were sort of the antithesis of education
[16:17] Jeremy Braver: for you or for mainstream, BJ?
[16:17] Bjorlyn Loon: for the intellectuals I know
[16:17] AJ Brooks: what do you disagree with ah - ok - got it. lost the connectin trhead for a moment
[16:18] Plato Pizzicato: i yell at my children (daughters) when they dont play video games :)
[16:18] Jeremy Braver: can you explain how you disagree and why, BJ? my Dad was the same way, Plato. we had a running Asteroids high score on the fridge for years
[16:18] Philled Graves: i consistatlyincourage my kids to play games, both are in online environs too
[16:18] AJ Brooks: but thats very base level gaming. little critical thought in Asteroids
[16:18] Jeremy Braver: agreed, AJ
[16:19] Polaris Grayson: designing games for higher education in sl could be difficult, but designing simpler games for adolescents is feasible
[16:19] Jeremy Braver: games are much more immersive narratives nowadays in addition to those mindless games
[16:19] AJ Brooks: yes
[16:19] Terran Timeless: role play. lol, me 2
[16:19] AJ Brooks: another stigma is the students themselves, perhaps thnking that they are paying ood money and why are they playing games - which is a common reaction I get with SL
[16:19] Regi Vollmar: maybe u could teach history with a role player
[16:20] Jeremy Braver: so, why don't more profs use games in their courses?
[16:20] Southern Georgia: my only comment is that more and more games are becoming more realistic and that is what students want and grafitate toward
[16:20] Bjorlyn Loon: I think that most games are based on logic... intellectuals have training in applying rigorous thought processes to many aspects of life. Gaming is one where their experience and training can shine. I think few intellectuals play games because they see them as trivial, not because they wouldnt be good at them.
[16:20] Plato Pizzicato: i loved asteroids ...lots of planning actaully to get really high scores
[16:20] AJ Brooks: absolutely BJ
[16:20] Jeremy Braver: I wholeheartedly agree with that point BJ, and didn't mean to imply otherwise
[16:20] AJ Brooks: i also think there are many catagories of games
[16:20] Jeremy Braver: esp. in a room full of educators, heeh
[16:21] Bjorlyn Loon: In my MMORPG gaming, my groups and guilds were mostly intellectuals. I would have gotten really bored if they hadnt been.
[16:21] AJ Brooks: and perhaps maybe a idfferent word is needed to kill the stigma
[16:21] Jeremy Braver: I just wonder why more dont employ gaming in their sylibi development
[16:21] Maggie Marat: Adolescents don't need simpler games - they are quite adept at teh most complex - and therein lies the evidence of engagement and investment "cognitive dissonance" leading to acquisition of knowledge and skills
[16:21] Jeremy Braver: maybe they are and aren't displaying it?
[16:21] Jeremy Braver: Well put Maggie
[16:21] Terran Timeless: yes
[16:21] AJ Brooks: a game is just another critical thinking exercise, or several of them put together
[16:22] Jeremy Braver: agreed
[16:22] Bjorlyn Loon: because it is perceived as trivial, Jeremy
[16:22] Southern Georgia: problem solving mulitasking
[16:22] AJ Brooks: and I think most avcadmics DO do that
[16:22] Southern Georgia: all real world experiences they need
[16:22] AJ Brooks: and they do it without the joystick
[16:22] Bjorlyn Loon: just the same reason why residents object when we call SL a game, and administrators balk at spending scarce resources on "only a game"
[16:22] AJ Brooks: so perhaps you need to define what you mean by a game
[16:22] Jeremy Braver: nice, AJ, Educators do it without the joystick!!!!
[16:22] Maggie Marat: Education has it's focus on "dong the work" not the "play" this is a primary philosohy that needs realignment -
[16:23] AJ Brooks: :-)
[16:23] Terran Timeless: shifting pedagogy
[16:23] Bjorlyn Loon: I thought pathfinder's reccent point that educators have precisely the kind of background required to succeed in virtual worlds is right to the point.
[16:23] Jeremy Braver: nice Maggie and I would say that it has to be reverse engineered starting with assessment
[16:23] AJ Brooks: it will shift over time - as newly minted PHDs come into higher education
[16:23] Southern Georgia: yes , becuase we learn better when we take joy from learning. a basic premis
[16:24] AJ Brooks: we see more and more literature on gaming in edu -= its not going to happen overnight
[16:24] Jeremy Braver: Well put
[16:24] Philled Graves: nothing happens over night in HE. its almost generational in its evolution
[16:24] AJ Brooks: the last major innovation in high ed was th chalkboard
[16:24] Terran Timeless: especially when it's play
[16:24] AJ Brooks: and the book before that. especially when its CALLED play
[16:24] Maggie Marat: interesting you should say that - while this discussion is going on I am writing my piece for RezEd - the weekly discussion -- and it is about just that - How do we assess 21st century learning -- we have to stop trying to do it wth 19th century modalities
[16:24] Aldrif Avro: Philled, I think generational is a key word--we teach what we know
[16:25] Zotarah Shepherd: I wanted to put my MA project on an elven RP like sim and was advised against it. That my committee and the university would not take it seriously.
[16:25] Philled Graves: we teach, often what our prfessors knew... and then distill and make actionalble for the next genration
[16:25] AJ Brooks: i had a faculty member during my first years in my job tell me that she learned this way so its good enough for her students
[16:25] Bjorlyn Loon: “Like the beginning of the world wide web, there are lots of Second Life experiments that didn’t work… you must build community as well as content in Second Life. Innovation is an iterative process for some organzations, and those will be the most successful, as a result of their knowing how to leverage virtual worlds to meet their goals.” Pathfinder
[16:25] Jeremy Braver: Cool, Maggie, I'd love to share my findings with you on the e- and v- portfolio solutions
[16:25] Regi Vollmar: learning by gaming could be very slow anyway
[16:25] Plato Pizzicato: yes, Maggie, we have let our courses become textbook-driven, and it warps the assessment
[16:25] Bjorlyn Loon: his point was that educators are most familiar with that interative process
[16:25] AJ Brooks: pedagogical application of the tool
[16:26] Jeremy Braver: yes, Regi, but it's almost always deeper learning, especially when learners are more involved in the decision points
[16:26] Philled Graves: yes, but when all you've got is a hammer, everthing is a nail
[16:26] Zotarah Shepherd: Good quote Bjorlyn. I wish we all could manifest that ideal in education.
[16:26] AJ Brooks: Folks - we´re almost at th end of our hour - I just want to remind everyone that we meet here each week, on Tuesday, at 3:30pm SLT
[16:26] Jeremy Braver: haha, Phil, or rather when all you've got is a shooter, everything is a target, lol
[16:26] Polaris Grayson: elf clan used to be one of the largest groups in sl in my day.... the socal opportunities are great with membership like that
[16:26] AJ Brooks: you are welcome to stay - tho
[16:26] Aldrif Avro: Enjoy Brasil!
[16:27] Terran Timeless: Sarah says that generation Z will have no medial hauntings
[16:27] AJ Brooks: although I may need to rush off
[16:27] Bjorlyn Loon: I have to go too. =)
[16:27] Jeremy Braver: Good talk guys, thx for the input
[16:27] Zotarah Shepherd: Elf Circle got so big they had to move the whole continent.
[16:27] Bjorlyn Loon: thanks, great information
[16:27] AJ Brooks: funny - IJeremy will like this
[16:27] Philled Graves: medial hauntings?
[16:27] Polaris Grayson: yes
[16:27] AJ Brooks: I am callling this generation Generation O
[16:27] Aldrif Avro: Thanks, everyone, for the help on money
[16:27] Plato Pizzicato: thanks everyone..and thanks for the cake:)
[16:27] Maggie Marat: Ditto! Thanks all - Enjoy your stay in SA AJ!
[16:27] AJ Brooks: for opposible. as in thumbs
[16:27] Southern Georgia: good meeting
[16:27] Terran Timeless: like, the computer is an extension of the word processor
[16:28] Southern Georgia: thanks everyone
[16:28] Polaris Grayson: Forcy and Way had a great group
[16:28] Philled Graves: happy rez day again plato
[16:28] AJ Brooks: ]they do everything with their thumbs. texting - gaming
[16:28] Jeremy Braver: lol, that is nice, AJ
[16:28] Zotarah Shepherd: Forcy still does
[16:28] Terran Timeless: so what I experience must realte to preconcieved notions
[16:28] AJ Brooks: :-)
[16:28] Plato Pizzicato: thanks Philled
[16:28] Polaris Grayson: yes she does
[16:29] Terran Timeless: our higher ed students in 2016 will look at most media phenomena as new, original
[16:30] Terran Timeless: without an ancestor
[16:30] AJ Brooks: perhaps it is time to redfine gaming. the term comes with baggage
[16:30] Terran Timeless: yes. for our peers
[16:30] AJ Brooks: i do cringe everytime I hear someoene refer to SL as a game
[16:30] Zotarah Shepherd: Me too
[16:30] AJ Brooks: since it is def. NOT a game, but strict standards. it does not have a goal, or rules. the two things that define a game
[16:31] Terran Timeless: or a winner
[16:31] AJ Brooks: well - that is built into the goal
[16:31] Philled Graves: that depends upon 'whose" sl you're talking about
[16:31] Terran Timeless: lol
[16:31] Polaris Grayson: The discovery channel had a great 6 part series on the level of gaming and what it is used for.... Level 6 and social interaction was mentioned
[16:31] Zotarah Shepherd thinks we are all winners in SL.
[16:31] AJ Brooks: pac man is a game, but doesn~t hav a winner
[16:31] Philled Graves: but then that's teh beauti of the environment
[16:31] Terran Timeless: yes, ZO!
[16:32] Jeremy Braver: Where can a fox view that series on Discovery Polaris? was it on tv? if so, what was the title?
[16:32] AJ Brooks: yes
[16:32] Polaris Grayson: Ill try to find the link for ya
[16:32] AJ Brooks: i have one epi at home - on my dvr - the one where they talked about SL
[16:32] Jeremy Braver: thx
[16:32] Zotarah Shepherd: I missed that
[16:33] AJ Brooks: i´m going to cut the transcript chat off here - so if you have something important to say and want it in the transcript - speak now
[16:34] Terran Timeless: we love the SL roundatable, thanks, AJ
[16:34] AJ Brooks: :-) THX!!!!
[16:34] Zotarah Shepherd: Great discussion AJ. Thanks AJ
[16:34] JeanClaude Vollmar: Yes, AJ. Thanks for hosting.
[16:34] Polaris Grayson:
[16:35] Jeremy Braver: AJ's the best EduRoundtabler in the whole kingdom of SL
[16:35] AJ Brooks: this is SO much my pleasure, I can´t even tell you guys. lol -
[16:35] Jeremy Braver: thx Polaris
[16:35] Polaris Grayson: lol just found this 10 spacey places in second life
[16:35] Aldrif Avro: Hasta la vista, amigos! Thanks, AJ!
[16:35] Terran Timeless: anyone know who's using VWs for Student Affairs Services delivery?
[16:35] Zotarah Shepherd: How would you do that Terran?